[OverlordXenu]

Strange factoid: 1% of Caucasians cannot get HIV, because they lack the protein that HIV uses to get into the t-cells.

However, I have no idea if they can still carry the virus.

Source? A New York Times article from around last...February?

 

[Walie]

I would say its to make sure that they don't encounter any adverse side-effects before treating more people with it.

 

[pne]

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Originally Posted by Walie /img/forum/go_quote.gif I would say its to make sure that they don't encounter any adverse side-effects before treating more people with it.

for someone faced with death, I can't think of any side affects that could be worse.

 

[Lazarus Short]

Now that HIV has had time to spread to a sizeable chunk of humandom, and has lowered their resistance to disease in general, now along comes XRTB. XRTB is a remarkably fast killer for TB, and is 100% fatal, judging from the reports I've read. It is even now getting out of control in southern Africa, though you may not have heard it on the evening news.

Laz

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

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Originally Posted by blessingx /img/forum/go_quote.gif We can't even get current treatments distributed world-wide. I'd say this is all extremely optimistic for real world-wide applications.

The only real world application I care about is me, if somebody in some other place can't get it I'll try not to lose any sleep.

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

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Originally Posted by pne /img/forum/go_quote.gif Is there no way to bypass the baby steps portion and jump directly into testing with human subjects? Say if I had contracted HIV, and went to one of these pharmaceutical companies willing to be a human guinea pig?

You'd probaby have to relocate to a country with a more lax testing laws. But if you have a life threatening disease I think that'd be an easy choice to make.

 

[bhd812]

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Originally Posted by Rock&Roll Ninja /img/forum/go_quote.gif The only real world application I care about is me, if somebody in some other place can't get it I'll try not to lose any sleep.

that's the beautiful power of HIV..cause HIV will always make its way back to you or people in your life as long as its being spread. so even if there was a Cure all in one location HIV would find its way back into the location.

 

[oicdn]

IMO the "cure" for aids has been around for a LONG time. I mean, people like Magic Johnson have been around for nearly 20 years with HIV/Aids. You don't hear much of anybody living much past 10 years with HIV, unless they're rich or famous.

I think conspiracies are a big hoohah in todays society and conspiracy theories are peoples way of being paranoid. Most all conspiracies I belive are junk. But I think this conspiracy of a cure for hiv/aids has been around for quite some time, and is just now being released to the public. I mean, imagine having no fear of any std killing you. You take away aids, adn the std rate probably will shoot through the roof.

Ask any person why they or thier partner wear a condom, and usually the reason is "so they don't get HIV/Aids". Sure, you can live with herpes, and it's probably embarassing as hell...but NOBODY wants aids.

 

[pne]

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Originally Posted by Rock&Roll Ninja /img/forum/go_quote.gif You'd probaby have to relocate to a country with a more lax testing laws. But if you have a life threatening disease I think that'd be an easy choice to make.

so why are these laws in place? Surely there must be people faced with death, who say "i don't care if the drug has been thoroughly tested or not, i am willing to take the chances" right? Why are there no clauses to allow willing human subjects to undergo experimental treatment? and why aren't people rallying for this?

 

[coolshot]

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Originally Posted by oicdn /img/forum/go_quote.gif IMO the "cure" for aids has been around for a LONG time. I mean, people like Magic Johnson have been around for nearly 20 years with HIV/Aids. You don't hear much of anybody living much past 10 years with HIV, unless they're rich or famous. I think conspiracies are a big hoohah in todays society and conspiracy theories are peoples way of being paranoid. Most all conspiracies I belive are junk. But I think this conspiracy of a cure for hiv/aids has been around for quite some time, and is just now being released to the public. I mean, imagine having no fear of any std killing you. You take away aids, adn the std rate probably will shoot through the roof. Ask any person why they or thier partner wear a condom, and usually the reason is "so they don't get HIV/Aids". Sure, you can live with herpes, and it's probably embarassing as hell...but NOBODY wants aids.

not a cure per se but definately good treatment where you will more likely to die of something else like a stroke. However, its cost pure and simple. We can keep rich americans with good health coverage alive but we cant put up Billions to treat the millions of people in africa.

 

[amphead]

That would be awesome if it were true. Occasionally I see a guy shopping late at night in my local grocery store. He has Caposi's Sarcoma, which has really disfigured the flesh on his face, and probably everywhere else. He has to avoid the public overall, because of the embarassment and fear that the condition creates. I can't imagine his suffering.

 

[hubcaps]

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Originally Posted by pne /img/forum/go_quote.gif so why are these laws in place? Surely there must be people faced with death, who say "i don't care if the drug has been thoroughly tested or not, i am willing to take the chances" right? Why are there no clauses to allow willing human subjects to undergo experimental treatment? and why aren't people rallying for this?

It not that simple. It not like they have a whole bunch of drugs that are out there waiting for human testing. Drugs go through several test before testing on people. Many drugs don't even make it far enough for human testing. Remember that the "side effects" can be worse than disease. For example, the drug can be toxic to your kidneys, which will lead to kidney failure... a condition that requires a lot of treatment and eventually leads to death. From the literature I've read, there's nothing really new recently. We are still scratching the surface on AIDS research.

 

[shigzeo]

i would still take as many precautions as possible before beginning something that could end in a treatable hiv infection

 

[swt61]

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Originally Posted by OverlordXenu /img/forum/go_quote.gif Strange factoid: 1% of Caucasians cannot get HIV, because they lack the protein that HIV uses to get into the t-cells. However, I have no idea if they can still carry the virus. Source? A New York Times article from around last...February?

When the HIV virus binds to a T-cell a process is initiated where it enters the T-cell. Some people were found to have a genetic defect, wherein they only have one of the two docking receptors needed for the HIV virus to successfully bind to their T-cells. I'm not sure if your research is something different or an invalid description of the same discovery.

BTW that genetic defect has been shown to have no adverse effects, so this would be a case when it's good to be defective.

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Originally Posted by shigzeo /img/forum/go_quote.gif i would still take as many precautions as possible before beginning something that could end in a treatable hiv infection

Sadly in some twisted way it's becoming hip to knowingly put yourself at risk in some sub cultures of our society.
I still can't wrap my brain around this idea, but I'm absolutely appalled at the lack of respect for themselves or others.

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

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Originally Posted by swt61 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Sadly in some twisted way it's becoming hip to knowingly put yourself at risk in some sub cultures of our society. I still can't wrap my brain around this idea, but I'm absolutely appalled at the lack of respect for themselves or others.

Maybe shigzeo is a doctor that might possibly work with possibly infected patients? Not everybody who protects themselves from "possible infection" is a tattooed suspension-junky.