Why pick on cables ?

[bigshot]

Your subjective opinion doesn’t mean anything to us. We all have our own subjective opinions, and we have subjective opinions of your subjective opinions. None of it adds up to jack diddly. Facts and supported opinions are what matter.

 

[old tech]

Lol. I'm already stating my opinion that measurements clearly has ZERO correlation with my subjective experience. Heck, I find more IEMs and headphones for that matter too that conform to the objectivist's criteria frankly "trashy sounding" to my subjective preferences

So you like the sound quality of wax cylinders?

 

[theveterans]

So you like the sound quality of wax cylinders?

Has nothing to do with IEM

 

[Davesrose]

So you like the sound quality of wax cylinders?

Sound quality, no, but it is cool that you can listen to an album or a person's dictation from well over 100 years ago. I think it would be neat if we could listen to Lincoln's speeches in audio. We have photos to see how he appeared as a country lawyer, then growing a beard, and aging quickly as president. But written impressions of him always go on about how he was a large man with a screechy voice. It would be so cool if we could hear his voice. I also wonder how current events will be saved and remember: we do have a lot of data that gets stored on our current servers, and storage spaces will continue to grow...but no one would be interested in analyzing the given data of each day.

 

[old tech]

Has nothing to do with IEM

I'm referring to your first sentence Lol. "I'm already stating my opinion that measurements clearly has ZERO correlation with my subjective experience." which seems to be more a general point than what comes after that. If that is true then indeed wax cylinders measure very poorly so it would subjectively be audio bliss to your ears.

 

[theveterans]

I'm referring to your first sentence Lol. "I'm already stating my opinion that measurements clearly has ZERO correlation with my subjective experience." which seems to be more a general point than what comes after that. If that is true then indeed wax cylinders measure very poorly so it would subjectively be audio bliss to your ears.

Doesn’t have to be the wax cylinders. Raal 1995 Immanis comes to mind. Best sounding headphone ever to me (on the level or better than Sennheiser HE-1) despite the contrasting measurements between the two: HE-1 is Harman Target while Immanis is none of it, and yet, both sound phenomenally exceptional audio nirvana bliss to my ears WITHOUT any EQ whatsoever. This is my prime example that measurements means nothing to describe the subjective sonic experience of a headphone

 

[Ryokan]

I can't often detect differences with cables but can with some, especially paired with certain earphones. If it was simple bias wouldn't I think I heard a difference with practically all cables? Readily admitting to there being no difference in most instances to there being a clear (perceived) difference, which holds up after a few swops to make certain, is why I can't quite let go that (iem) cables make no difference at all.
I want to know the truth, whichever way that goes regarding my observations, and use the word 'perceived' as I have no proof and so cannot say there definitely is one, as some adamantly insist which is more intractable pointing to it being likely clear bias.

 

[theveterans]

I can't often detect differences with cables but can with some, especially paired with certain earphones. If it was simple bias wouldn't I think I heard a difference with practically all cables? Readily admitting to there being no difference in most instances to there being a clear (perceived) difference, which holds up after a few swops to make certain, is why I can't quite let go that (iem) cables make no difference at all.
I want to know the truth, whichever way that goes regarding my observations, and use the word 'perceived' as I have no proof and so cannot say there definitely is one, as some adamantly insist which is more intractable pointing to it being likely clear bias.

I provided an extreme case with Camfire Andromeda IEM. If we are going to use 64 Audio U12T which is the antithesis of Andromeda Impedance/frequency curve due to LID circuit in the IEM. The IEM will sound the same regardless of cables you use on it (even the ones with resistors on the cables)

 

[Ryokan]

I provided an extreme case with Camfire Andromeda IEM. If we are going to use 64 Audio U12T which is the antithesis of Andromeda Impedance/frequency curve due to LID circuit in the IEM. The IEM will sound the same regardless of cables you use on it (even the ones with resistors on the cables)

Ok but you're using, for reference, an iem that is ultra sensitive to argue your point, whereas I'm actually saying even with more 'normal' behaving iem's a cable can sometimes make a difference, for reasons I don't know.
I found swopping cables on one iem, to ones I thought would be better: primarily as they're more expensive, that actually the opposite was true and that the included cable sounds the best pairing, and it's quite noticeable to me. It isn't a very expensive cable more perfunctory, though of course the maker probably designed it to go specifically with these earphones.
Another interesting thing I found was I expected the nicer sounding cable to be of mostly a silver construct, and thought maybe there's some truth in silver = brighter, copper = warmer etc. But looking up the specs was very surprised to see that the cable is mostly a copper one. Which leads me to believe it's not the main material that is the deciding factor, but other elements used as well in the construction.

 

[bigshot]

If you use the proper cable, you won’t hear a difference. Using the wrong cable for the job is user error, not an example of a cable that sounds different.

 

[Ryokan]

Can only use cables on an iem with the correct terminations

If we are going to use 64 Audio U12T which is the antithesis of Andromeda Impedance/frequency curve due to LID circuit in the IEM. The IEM will sound the same regardless of cables you use on it (even the ones with resistors on the cables)

Not familiar with LID. But that's also an extreme case iem as it has technology to negate any effects a different cable may have. Doesn't LID therefore support cables may affect the sound, or is it used for other reasons and the effects on cables is secondary?

 

[theveterans]

Not familiar with LID. But that's also an extreme case iem as it has technology to negate any effects a different cable may have. Doesn't LID therefore support cables may affect the sound, or is it used for other reasons and the effects on cables is secondary?

LID is just linear impedance design circuit to reduce effects of damping factor dependency on its FR response. LID is supposed to negate cable RLC effects

 

[CK Moustache]

If we are going to use 64 Audio U12T which is the antithesis of Andromeda Impedance/frequency curve due to LID circuit in the IEM. The IEM will sound the same regardless of cables you use on it (even the ones with resistors on the cables)

I just looked up the U12Ts' impedance response, and while it is fairly even, it's still not entirely flat, so there will still be an effect on frequency response based on the cable's resistance/source's output impedance (but to a lesser degree than if there were no impedance linearisation circuit).

 

[castleofargh]

I just looked up the U12Ts' impedance response, and while it is fairly even, it's still not entirely flat, so there will still be an effect on frequency response based on the cable's resistance/source's output impedance (but to a lesser degree than if there were no impedance linearisation circuit).

What will cause bigger changes when swapping the amp(or some cables), is how low the lowest impedance gets, and also how big is the difference between min and max impedance(aligned with how sensitive we are to those frequencies, big changes at 19kHz won't do much for our impressions). So when it comes to voltage changes(FR changes), that IEM seems pretty stable(I have no idea what that circuit is actually doing).

 

[eq1849]

Lol. I'm already stating my opinion that measurements clearly has ZERO correlation with my subjective experience. Heck, I find more IEMs and headphones for that matter too that conform to the objectivist's criteria frankly "trashy sounding" to my subjective preferences

I find that listening to something for a period of time, then switching out to compare, generally works very well for me.