Who needs headphones tailored for sleeping? Just get the perfect pillow!

Apr 6, 2005 at 7:40 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 16

Zanth

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I have long been a member of Team Sleep. That is, when I get some, I usually want to be soothed into a nice dream state by some quality tunes. Historically I have used Koss KSC 35's or Ety's to fall asleep with. I don't move much in my sleep, so if I were to fall asleep on my back, I usually wake up in that position. Phones in tact!

I prefer, however, to sleep on my side. Herein lies the problem!
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As most know, headphones and laying on one's side is generally a pain in the er...ear? I have been in contact with a very knowledgable head-fier who has just recently purchased the Sensaphonic 2x-s series and loves them for sleeping. Thing is...1k + CAD for these babies! That is a lot of coin for sleep phones!

I have been researching pillows for quite some time. I had used the run of the mill foamies for the first 23 years or so of my life before going with an extra firm Ralph Lauren king sized foam pillow. This did me well for 5 years but after the third year, the foam had significantly lost its firmness and the results were kinks in my neck, poor sleep all around and well...certainly no headphone listening with a foam pillow! Not on my side anyway.

I read about memory foam pillows from the best companies, but again, I would need to buy IEM's to sleep on my side. My search was primarily for a solid, firm, amazing pillow, music was secondary. I finally came upon the buckwheat filled phenomenon.

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Buckwheat hulls are a byproduct of buckwheat milling. Flattened hulls are used as a high-quality mulch that is much sought-after by rosarians. In Japan, they are a traditional filling for pillows. For a number of years, orthopedic buckwheat hull pillows have been available in the US. A few years ago, a series of infomercials on television for "Sobakawa" pillows have increased awareness of buckwheat hull pillows, and demand for the hulls is great. A serious shortage of buckwheat hulls resulted. In the fall of 1997, several suppliers began marketing large quantities of hulls, both imported and domestically grown. By fall, 1998, industry sources said that the boom was fading some. (1)


I was interested in this mainly because of the fill, and the fact that it would seemingly be akin to beanbags but with better support AND the ability to nudge a nice pocket for whatever phones I wanted to wear!

I read for 6 months before finally deciding to go with Many Moons. They are a Canadian based company (yeh for cheap shipping and no import taxes/duties/charges!) and they, from repeated conversations, seemed to know what they were talking about, at least more so than the other companies I spoke with. There are a few companies located right in my own city, but their products were quite subpar compared to the Many Moons offerings.

Why buckwheat?

Well as I said, besides the fact that I could theoretically nudge a pocket for the cup of any phone while have my neck and head supported by nice soft but firm support, I was chomping to have a test run. However, sleep is the key here are the major advantages of buckwheat pillows (particularly from Many Moons):

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Provide extreme comfort; Conform to your anatomy;

Provide support to head, neck and spine; Help keep the head cool as air passes through the hulls - a cool head temperature helps some people sleep well;

Provide soft, yet firm support. They are comfortable for sleeping on your back or on your side;

The zippered pillow cover allows for easy addition or removal of hulls and is made from 100% organic Texas grown cotton. The filling is made from 100% organically grown buckwheat hullss

Other advantages of the buckwheat hull filling are the "cool in the summer, warm in the winter" insulating properties. Pillow may be chilled in the freezer to offer an even greater cooling effect - great for hot summer nights! The filling also lasts for many years, making the pillow the best value specialty pillow on the market. Long after other pillows have collapsed and worn out, a buckwheat hull pillow will still be fully functional. Buckwheat hull pillows are also environmentally friendly - for each pillow put to use, it will save the manufacturing of the synthetic filling for ten or more ordinary pillows. (2)


So I whipped out my cc, bought two (one for me, one for my wife) and received the pillows two days later. One first notes how HEAVY 7 lbs of fill is (I bought two of these). The heavy cotton casing and covering were really nice and exuded quality but the real test was how well I could sleep with one of these!

The first night I tried with all 7 lbs. I was warned against this. Most folks need 3 lbs or less and keep the other fill for rolling in later after the husks start to compress in a 5-6 years. I went all out and found that well...7 lbs was too much. The pillow was far too firm and there was no way I could make a pocket for any headphones. There was simply no room! So I took out 2 lbs the next night and finally ended up with a pillow with 3.5-4 lbs of fill the final and all subsequent nights.

I have never slept so well in my life! Oh the support! I just need to reposition a tiny bit of fill around my head to make the perfect pocket for myself. My wife who is horribly restless and moves a lot in her sleep, doesn't find that she needs to adjust ever, she has 3 lbs in there and her head is always supported. Therefore, it is not as if one needs to keep repositioning the fill for a quality "fit." The best part was when I tried some Grados! I was able to lay on my side without a problem and could enjoy the sound had it not been for the fact that well...Grados are open for a reason! Closing off the chamber is simply a no no (at least for me) and so I tried with the big R10's! (Yes call me nuts). Well...not a problem at all! I could lay on my side, listen as I fell asleep and never have to worry!

Mind you, I didn't actually fall asleep, I just tested it out. R10's are just too fragile for me to give it a night's worth of testing. However, it leaves me to believe that a nice cheap but closed headphone could really do the trick! Maybe the likes of an Ultrazone?

Of course, I was mainly after a very good pillow, and I found one. The fact that its design also facilitates full-sized headphone listening is a purk I was very pleased to enjoy. I may still go after some 2x-s' in the future but for now, I can easily lay on my side with Ety's and not have to worry I am going to pierce my brain in the middle of the night.

(1) http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/hort/f...Buckhulls.html

(2) http://catalog.com/organic/buckwheat/buckben.html
 
Apr 6, 2005 at 8:04 PM Post #2 of 16
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Originally Posted by Zanth
Mind you, I didn't actually fall asleep, I just tested it out. R10's are just too fragile for me to give it a night's worth of testing. However, it leaves me to believe that a nice cheap but closed headphone could really do the trick! Maybe the likes of an Ultrazone?


Heh. I often listen to my R10's before going to sleep. I also have woken up in the morning still wearing them several times. IME, the R10 can take any punishment your pillow can dish out
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I think it's a lot sturdier than, say, the Qualia 010, particularly for falling asleep. The K-1000 might be a problem, particularly if you roll on your side while it's angled out
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Any of the top Grado's will survive a night's sleep easily, as will Sennheisers and Audio Technica's (based on personal experience).

Since I've fallen asleep with almost all of my dynamic headphones at one time or another, I will never put an electrostatic amp in my bedroom rig.
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Apr 6, 2005 at 8:08 PM Post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by Hirsch
Heh. I often listen to my R10's before going to sleep. I also have woken up in the morning still wearing them several times. IME, the R10 can take any punishment your pillow can dish out
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I think it's a lot sturdier than, say, the Qualia 010, particularly for falling asleep. The K-1000 might be a problem, particularly if you roll on your side while it's angled out
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Any of the top Grado's will survive a night's sleep easily, as will Sennheisers and Audio Technica's (based on personal experience).

Since I've fallen asleep with almost all of my dynamic headphones at one time or another, I will never put an electrostatic amp in my bedroom rig.
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Well, because they are Mike's...and now yours, I'm sure you will be pleased I didn't sleep with them on
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That said, I could definitely go for some HD650's and sleep, that could work, or some MDR-F1's...

As for electrostats, yeah...no Omega II's in my bedroom.
 
Apr 6, 2005 at 9:15 PM Post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by Hirsch
Any of the top Grado's will survive a night's sleep easily, as will Sennheisers and Audio Technica's (based on personal experience)...


Fallen asleep with my RS-1s many a times...
 
Apr 7, 2005 at 12:48 AM Post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by Hirsch
Heh. I often listen to my R10's before going to sleep. I also have woken up in the morning still wearing them several times. IME, the R10 can take any punishment your pillow can dish out
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I think it's a lot sturdier than, say, the Qualia 010, particularly for falling asleep. The K-1000 might be a problem, particularly if you roll on your side while it's angled out
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Any of the top Grado's will survive a night's sleep easily, as will Sennheisers and Audio Technica's (based on personal experience).

Since I've fallen asleep with almost all of my dynamic headphones at one time or another, I will never put an electrostatic amp in my bedroom rig.
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Shures have survived the test on many occasions (but not the most comfy phone for sleeping) The A900's have also survived so far (i always listen at least 1/2 before i got to sleep with the sleep function on the ipod, and have woken up several times to fint the AT's still on)
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Apr 7, 2005 at 3:18 AM Post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by Zanth
Well, because they are Mike's...and now yours, I'm sure you will be pleased I didn't sleep with them on
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That said, I could definitely go for some HD650's and sleep, that could work, or some MDR-F1's...

As for electrostats, yeah...no Omega II's in my bedroom.



Why not electrostats. I got to sleep with the baby O's all the time. You will have to explain this to me.

Every single headphone I have owned has been a sleeping buddy of mine one time or another. The most painful ones were the hp-2's. I am not keen on the ps-1's sleeping prowess either. The phones are heavy enough to slip off your head thus breaking the sleeping buddy team. My faves are the baby O or R-10's.
 
Apr 7, 2005 at 3:29 AM Post #8 of 16
I sleep with the SR-60s and forget to take them off...not really a question of forgetting - it just happens
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And GoRedWings19 - Electrostats = high voltage...I can think of a few situations where sleeping with them might result in permanent sleep
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Apr 7, 2005 at 3:42 AM Post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by gsferrari
I sleep with the SR-60s and forget to take them off...not really a question of forgetting - it just happens
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And GoRedWings19 - Electrostats = high voltage...I can think of a few situations where sleeping with them might result in permanent sleep
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Really??? Wait till you build me the blue hawaii then
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Wow I never knew about that. But dying to what I love doing most sleeping and music thru headphones, Yep real blaze of glory stuff.
 
Apr 7, 2005 at 3:56 AM Post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by gsferrari
Blaze is the key word here
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Stuff some G in your pillows...elevates the sense of enjoyment when you go down
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Don't worry I will get a little mini fire extinguisher. But the he60's and me are a great sleeping combo.

BTW ygpm.
 
Apr 7, 2005 at 5:46 AM Post #12 of 16
Why not just use a hemorrhoid pillow? The headphone earcups would fit nicely in the cutout where your butt would normally go.
 
Apr 7, 2005 at 10:08 AM Post #13 of 16
I remember back in the late 90s when these things first started in America (via infomercials), and were touted as something along the lines of "ancient oriental sleeping treasure" or some similar BS, and were being sold for obscene prices...

~KS
 
Apr 7, 2005 at 3:54 PM Post #14 of 16
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I got to sleep with the baby O's all the time.


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I sleep with the SR-60


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Every single headphone I have owned has been a sleeping buddy of mine one time or another.


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Stuff some G in your pillows...elevates the sense of enjoyment when you go down


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Filthiest thread ever!
 
Apr 7, 2005 at 4:03 PM Post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by Tyson
Why not just use a hemorrhoid pillow? The headphone earcups would fit nicely in the cutout where your butt would normally go.


hehe now thats what im talkin about
 

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