Who has experiences or suggestions for good apt-x Bluetooth Headphones (InEar/OverEar)?
Apr 25, 2014 at 3:19 AM Post #16 of 26
I have had these for a few days now: http://www.avantree.com/Product-Bluetooth-Headphones-for-running-Avantree-Jogger-Pro_908.html
 
I use them for running and they're pretty good for the price. Sound is decent for running considering all the background noise (cars, wind, thumbing of feet, panting etc). Connection is strong and stable. I use at the same time a bluetooth heart rate monitor with my phone and there's no problems with two bluetooth connections running.
 
These aren't IEM so the seal on the ear isn't tight and it lets a lot of noise through and therefore the bass is somewhat lacking. They're also pretty vulnerable to wind i.e. the wind noise could be a problem at least on a very windy day.
 
Controls on headphones work nicely: I can change tracks and adjust volume. Headphones have also build-in mic so (theoretically) answering calls is possible. I suspect the mic isn't too good but haven't tried it yet.
 
All in all not a bad bluetooth v4.0 aptX headset for sports just for $40 off eBay.
 
Apr 25, 2014 at 7:40 AM Post #17 of 26
  I have had these for a few days now: http://www.avantree.com/Product-Bluetooth-Headphones-for-running-Avantree-Jogger-Pro_908.html
 
I use them for running and they're pretty good for the price. Sound is decent for running considering all the background noise (cars, wind, thumbing of feet, panting etc). Connection is strong and stable. I use at the same time a bluetooth heart rate monitor with my phone and there's no problems with two bluetooth connections running.
 
These aren't IEM so the seal on the ear isn't tight and it lets a lot of noise through and therefore the bass is somewhat lacking. They're also pretty vulnerable to wind i.e. the wind noise could be a problem at least on a very windy day.
 
Controls on headphones work nicely: I can change tracks and adjust volume. Headphones have also build-in mic so (theoretically) answering calls is possible. I suspect the mic isn't too good but haven't tried it yet.
 
All in all not a bad bluetooth v4.0 aptX headset for sports just for $40 off eBay.

Great find..I have been saying all along that any bluetooth phones in this day an age should have aptx.. The new smartphones are jumping on the aptx bandwagon..  For myself, it seems like all types of phones, mainly ear buds, and on the ear, don't go well with me. They fall out or slip off my  head. I had to go with On The Ear. I found a set of On The Ear, that fits my head like a clamp, comfortable, blocks out a lot of outside noise, aptx, and only $97 refurbished. They are the Harman Kardon BT. It just so happens that my  head is a perfect fit for these, they don't move, sweet sound, these are my workout and running phones.. 
 
I suspect the mic will work on yours. In our exercising, running, we don't hold long conversation. The mics on our phones will work and allow us to talk briefly and keep on with our exercise. We have answered the call. That is the main point of the mic..
 
We all winners here, with phones, and price wise...
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Apr 27, 2014 at 8:38 PM Post #18 of 26
Things covered in this post:
aptX transmitters
aptX info 
Getting your Mac to use aptX 
aptX suggestions
KLEER is BS - It's just 2.4 ghz - Until I'm corrected - Or, I lose my internet.
 
I have procrastinated like crazy researching Bluetooth Headphones when I should have been writing papers and studying for exams.  I'm in grad school and have noisy roommates.  So, I live with headphones on for the most part.  I love my QC20's and QC15's for the noise cancellation, and I'm thinking about getting an aptX transmitter/receiver Avantree Saturn Wireless Bluetooth Audio Adapter - Receiver and Transmitter 2 Usage in 1 desgin, aptX for CD Quality Music.  Avantree also makes a $79 aptX low latency transmitter/receiver but it's not on Amazon yet.  
 
So here's my dilemma - We don't have cable/dish/directv, and I watch TV (Hulu, Amazon Prime) from my Macbook Pro (Retina 2012 - HDMI to TV) - Most Bluetooth 4.0 sets are going to have 150 ms of lag.  40 ms or less in needed in order to have the sound match up.  Apple uses 4.0 because they don't drain the battery.  Bluetooth 2.1, 3.0 sound the same, they just need more power.  There are also different aptX transmissions, but most/all are plain aptX - Which works just fine.  CSR - Makers of aptX chips make
 
aptX lossless, which will supposedly transfer enough data not to lose sound quality.
 
  1. Sample rate: supports HD-Audio up to 96KHz
  2. Word depth: 16-bit or 24-bit
  3. Compression ratio: dependent  on content, but average 2:1 for 16-bit audio
  4. Delay: scalable to 1ms@48kHz
  5. Compression ratio: 2:1

 
aptX low latency - These things transmit at 
  1. Compression  ratio:  4:1
  2. Audio Format: 16-bit, 44.1kHz (CD-Quality)
  3. Data Rates:  352Kbit/s
  4. Frequency Response: 10Hz– 20kHz
  5. Algorithmic Delay: <1.89ms @ Fs 48KHzAlgorithmic + Bluetooth delay: 32ms
  6. Dynamic Range: 96dB
  7. THD+N: -68.8dB

​aptX - (I don't see a difference with low latency but not Bluetooth delay was listed)

 

  1. Compression  ratio:  4:1
  2. Audio Format: 16-bit, 44.1kHz (CD-Quality)
  3. Data Rates: 352kbps
  4. Frequency Response: 10Hz to 22kHz
  5. Algorithmic Delay: <1.89ms @ Fs 48KHz
  6. Dynamic Range: 16-bit: >92dB
  7. THD+N: -68.8dB

To get aptX on your Mac, you can go the Apple Developer website - Forgive me - I cannot copy a link - the address is protected - You want to get to Developer Tools - Search Bluetooth - Download Hardware IO Tools - October - 2013.  After you load it, open Bluetooth Explorer (look up at the top of the screen for the menu) - Click Tools -  Click Audio Options - Check Force aptX - And you are set.  Be careful about messing around in the menu if you don't really know what you are doing like me.  I hit something, a warning was issued I ignored, and I had to reload everything.

 

With Force aptX checked - I don't see a different with the sounds and the lips moving.  With Force aptX not checked - I go crazy listening to sounds here and actions there.

 

One more thing - Bluetooth runs on the same freaking frequency at 2.4 Wireless Internet!!!  So, if you want to use your aptX bluetooth headphones and watching streaming video, you better have a fast connection.  Or, you can get an adapter for your computer at use 5.0 Wireless if your Wireless router is dual-band, which helps.  By the way - KLEER sucks from Sennheiser - It's just 2.4 Wireless that says KLEER - Shame on you.  Sennheiser - Please correct me if I'm wrong, and I will gladly apologize.  I ordered the RS 170's and the RS 180's and couldn't use the internet when I used them.  The RS 220 uses the same crap!  

 

So, I guess I haven't answered anything yet...sorry....So, I had the JayBird Ear Buds, Harmon Kardon BT, UE9000, BUT I wasn't using aptX on my Apple computer.  Plus, my iPad and iPhone only have 4.0 Bluetooth.  So....There was delay, and I couldn't watch tv with them.  The JayBird have some pretty good bass, The HK's just felt weird but sounded okay.  The UE9000 sounded really good, AND you can use the wire so you won't lose any information.  Beware - several Bluetooth headphone like the Parrot Zik (not aptX) sound like crap when you plug them in...But not the UE9000.  

 

Right now, I'm seeking a pair of aptX headphones on the cheap!!!  So, I'm thinking the bluetooth receiver is going to be my solution.  Yes, I'll have some wires going on...but, I can get up and walk around the house without having to take them off.  

 
Apr 29, 2014 at 2:05 PM Post #19 of 26
  Thread is a little stale but totally relevant to my mission which has been to find a decent set of BT cans that preferably features aptX and are comfortable. My profile is middle-aged man, not an audiophile but do have reasonably keen hearing. Music taste lately has been centered around Contemporary Christian (Chris Tomlin, Matt Redman, Hillsong, etc) but I do enjoy a wide variety of music from classical to hip hop. I've created a dedicated playlist to test headphones with and the material can range anywhere from 160K to 4608K but with most encoded at 320K AAC via iTunes. Music is usually played off my PC (with Orico BT adapter featuring CSR chipset and aptX) or off my iPad Air or iPod 4G (not as good sounding compared to iPad or PC).
 
I'd like to work on reviews for these as time allows but to date here are my brief impressions on the BT can's I've tested (ones with * denotes aptX support):
 
Klipsch Image One* - microphonics from buttons are one of the worst I've experienced on a headphone to date, overall sound was a little honky/puffy for me (see definition here). It's on-ear and created discomfort after a period of wear. Gifted these to my sis-in-law so can't really recall much more about them.
 
Bose Ae2w - I'll disclose right up front that I'm a fan of Bose products but have never owned any of their headphones. I recall trying a set (forgot which) at Target and they sounded absolutely phenomenal. However, I wasn't particularly impressed with the Ae2w. It is the most lightweight and likely the most comfortable in this group but it's particularly sensitive to positioning (especially the bass). The cups are super large so really shouldn't have any problems accommodating anyone not named Dumbo (sorry, no offense intended to anyone who actually can't fit these) but therein lies the problem in that the clamping force isn't particularly strong and couples with the extra large ear pads, it's prone to shifting. The overall sound profile is a bit honky/puffy (I really dislike headphones that emphasize the 500-700 range) and the bass is just a tad bit on the light side (greatly exacerbated if not positioned correctly). The first set also suffered from BT issues (on occasions, even with the physical switch in off position, the LED indicators lights remained on). No prob, Bose sent out another set and replaced it under warranty. A nice touch is that it can pair with both your phone and an audio source and will automatically pause the music for an incoming call. Ultimately though and in consideration of the price, the sound was a bit of a let down and not what I was expecting from a Bose product. 
 
ME Electronics Air-Fi Venture AF52 - one of the better sounding BT cans in this group and very similar to its big brother the AF62. The major achilles heel for this set was that there was radio freq. noise in the left driver. Ironically, I was offered an upgrade (difference paid out of pocket) for these after I complained about the same exact problem with their now discontinued AF71 IEM's). It wasn't as bad as the AF71's but definitely noticeable during quiet transitions (in between songs) and especially during video editing. Also, strangely there was this weird noise not unlike an air siren that started low and increased in pitch. It's very faint but definitely noticeable. I gifted these to my sis-in-law thinking she wouldn't pick this up but she did so back they went for an upgrade to...
 
ME Electronics Air-Fi Matrix2 AF62* - the absolute best sounding headphones I've experienced to date (includes NAD VISO HP50). Very similar to ATH-M50 which I think says A LOT. The BT module used is one of the best as well and connects very quickly and is the most resistant to interference. There are a few blocks from Port Authority where it creates interference for just about every BT cans on this list. Only experienced minor hiccups with this set. Sound might be a little bright but again, I honestly feel these are the most "neutral" (to me) headphones which as mentioned includes the venerable HP50's (which hangs on InnerFidelity's Wall of Fame). Noise isolation is very poor though, needed to bump up the volume to compete with traffic and city noise while walking to work but once in the office (or at home), the sound profile and soundstage is simply sublime. I can listen to these straight up without any need for EQ be it on my PC, iPad or iPod. The ear pads use regular foam and would benefit from thicker memory foam for added comfort.
 
Photive PH-BTX6 - really wanted to like these, they feel very solidly built and comes with a nice hard case but ultimately the sound was a bit too honky/puffy and dark. I had to drop 2 ticks (eq. to -6db) on 500 range in iTunes EQ but whatever other tweaks I made, I just couldn't quite get these to sound right. I know they have great ratings on Amazon and to be honest, if these were the only headphones I've ever experienced, I might be inclined to agree with the nearly 5 star rating but alas, these only get 3.5 from me due to the sound. Oh, I also didn't like the BT module constantly "screaming" at me every time it powered on/off and connected (come on BT mfg's! Really? You couldn't have set these announcements to the same volume the headphone is set to? geez...). These didn't perform particularly well as a phone headset, while I can hear the other party reasonably well, I found I had to speak louder than normal in order for them to hear me.
 
Nakamichi BT304/HP01 - I have fond memories of this brand from my youth and namely that was that they made quality high-end components (Dragon anyone?) that were way out of my reach. Well, fast forward a bunch of years and alas, I think they are suffering an identify crisis (post exiting bankruptcy and being acquired) much like this particular headphone. They are officially sold as BT304 but even certain marketing materials and the ID that comes up after pairing identifies these as HP01. Regardless, these are nearly identical to the AF52's with the major exception being that there is no headphone jack so you can't use these in passive mode. That's a shame as these are really amazing sounding headphones, however, like the AF52's it also suffers from the same radio freq. noise (likely using the same exact BT module) but unlike the AF52's one particular unit (I purchased two and gifted one away) suffered from very poor BT connection. It kept receiving interference so I ultimately had to return it. Otherwise, these really are one of the best sounding BT can's in this group. However, overall build quality while not bad is not up to par based on what I recall plus some of their most recent offerings really brings in to question how Nakamichi is currently positioned (not particularly high-end).
 
FSL 360* - aptX? check! BT4.0? Not mandatory but check! Striking good looks (yeah I know, subjective) - check! Nice hard shell case? That's a bonus!  All this for under $70, sah-weet!  I was really hoping these would be THE BT cans I was looking for. Alas, the sound and the ultimately too small (for me) ear pads killed it. It's somewhat similar to the Photive in sound profile except perhaps not as dark and unlike the Photive, I can get a reasonable sound with EQ tweaking. I like the idea of the one knob control but ultimately the whole headphone feels a little flimsy. The headband will tilt along with your head and there is a rattle in the left ear piece despite not featuring any buttons (the control is on the right). It's as loud passive as it is active.
 
JBL Synchros S400BT* - bass heads, look no further, this headphone is for you! Passive mode is underwhelming, really needs to be in BT mode to truly appreciate sound. Fun headphone (think EDM or Electronic) but hardly neutral and not totally accurate. Bass is still somewhat overwhelming even with Bass Reducer EQ set in iTunes. Very solidly built but the touch control is a bit flaky. I find that I often pause the music when I inadvertently brush the touch panel while adjusting the headset. I would've preferred a physical button that I need to depress for the play/pause but the swipe for tracks and volume worked OK (note, one volume swipe is equivalent to one button depress, unlike the Zik's where swiping up and down will gradually increase/decrease the volume like on a touchscreen phone). The ear pads are very comfy; despite being on-ear's I only experience pain after a very extended listening session. Boo on the proprietary charging cable! Speaking of which, I was a little concerned about shorts while plugging this in/out for charging but they have cleverly routed the positive path to the "last" rung of the jack (most furthest away from the tip). However, the possibility for shorts still remains (the negative path is right next to the positive one) so best to unplug cable after charging. Its dome shape does protrude out a bit and may cause one to be mistaken for Princess Leia... (just saying...)
 
Parrot Zik - (@cehowardNote3 - these do not feature aptX). Got these refurb but they came in seemingly brand new condition (with sealed tape on box). Upon pairing and installing the app on my iPod, it automatically updated the F/W to v1.09 (from v1.06) over bluetooth. Reasonably comfortable but ultimately very heavy causing the headband to push down and create undue pressure. A little bass heavy and I'm unsure of the standard codec used (SBC I think) but it just doesn't seem to sound as clean as the other BT cans in this list. Even with all the "modes" (surround, EQ, ANC, Lou Reed) turned off, I can't help but feel there is some digital gimmickry going on with the sound and it's just not very realistic. The ANC does work VERY well and I found it less annoying than Bose's QC15. On bus ride in morning, I can barely hear the motor roaring with ANC on. It's a bit bulky so does suffer from air noise from mild breezes while walking. App is pretty neat but ultimately other than ANC, I tend to leave all the setting off. These are however great for watching movies with (especially action flix). Poor battery life. Also at this price point and despite the features, they really should've included a case... (cloth sack for a nearly $400 headphone... really?). As with the S400BT, I find that I inadvertently pause the music since I touched the surface, however, the volume control works in direct relation to your swipe (it'll gradually increase/decrease volume as long as you continue to swipe). I also love the feature where it'll automatically pause when you remove the headphone.
 
Harman Kardon BT* - head band keeps pushing down on my head and eventually is painful, otherwise the ear pads are actually quite comfortable. As with the JBL, it uses proprietary charging cable (however it's interchangeable with each other). Just got these in (and at a great price since they're refurb'd) so my initial impression of the overall sound profile is that it's also slightly honky/puffy (emphatic 500-700 range) but at least can be EQ'd to be quite decent. I'm not sure why but this sound profile generated a particular ambiance that greatly enhanced the creepiness factor while watching Hannibal. Been having BT connection problems though in that for some reason, it seems to refuse to connect via aptX profile (no aptX connection message). Only the first time I pair it will it show the message otherwise let's say if I power it off and then back on, I'll get a connection message but not the aptX one. Haven't figured it out yet and not sure if it's really not connecting via aptX or merely just not displaying the message.
 
So bottom line, out of all of these, the AF62's get my vote as the best sounding BT cans with great connection and reasonably comfortable (for me) and I actually prefer them over the HP50's (a bit too emphatic in 500-700 range for my tastes).
 
Hope that helps anyone else looking at BT cans.

Cheers,
Tim


I ordered the AF62's after seeing your impressions and the reviews on Amazon. I got them for only $70, so I think that is a pretty good deal and will use them with my Galaxy Note 2(apt X) and Iphone 5. How good is the signal strength on these?
 
Apr 29, 2014 at 6:28 PM Post #20 of 26
 
I ordered the AF62's after seeing your impressions and the reviews on Amazon. I got them for only $70, so I think that is a pretty good deal and will use them with my Galaxy Note 2(apt X) and Iphone 5. How good is the signal strength on these?

I would really like to get these, especially after turbobb said they were just as good or better than the Harman Kardon BTs.  
 
They are going to be a hit with your Note 2...Sweet Phone, I tell you that...
 
Apr 30, 2014 at 11:33 PM Post #21 of 26
 
I ordered the AF62's after seeing your impressions and the reviews on Amazon. I got them for only $70, so I think that is a pretty good deal and will use them with my Galaxy Note 2(apt X) and Iphone 5. How good is the signal strength on these?

Out of all the BT cans I've experienced to date, they are the best at maintaining connection and being resistant to interference. I can be doing laundry in the basement (two levels down from my office room) and still stay connected without any issues clearly not in line of sight to the BT adpater.
 
Eager to know your impressions when you get them (especially vs. other headphones you have).
 
Apr 30, 2014 at 11:37 PM Post #22 of 26
   
Right now, I'm seeking a pair of aptX headphones on the cheap!!!  So, I'm thinking the bluetooth receiver is going to be my solution.  Yes, I'll have some wires going on...but, I can get up and walk around the house without having to take them off.  

 
Thx for this post and yes, that's the solution I tried as well: BlueAnt apt-X receiver connected to V-Moda XS (also tried with NAD Viso HP50 too). Unfortunately this adapter doesn't have great range and don't even bother with the earphone that comes with it. The value is solely in the receiver.
 
While I think it was a good concept, it was just poorly executed. The ribbon design is quirky and has really poor ergonomics. The buttons are very hard to press so coupled with its odd shape it's just very difficult to use. But at least it's a decent apt-X solution until I can find another one.
 
May 9, 2014 at 3:43 PM Post #23 of 26
I bought the Saturn Avantree aptX transmitter/receiver, and I like it.  Of course, I still have cords.  I did some "homemade" testing with my Stone Temple Pilots, Core, Tracks - I have Core on the following:
HD Tracks - 4608 kbps, 96 kHz, 134.9 MB
CD - 1102 kbps, 44.1 kHz, 32.1 MB (Apple Lossless is how I ripped my CD) 
mp3, 269 kbps, 44.1 kHz, 8.2 MB - Just bought it on Amazon for testing
 
Being in graduate school, I had to sell my DAC, tube amp and reference headphones, and I apologize.  So, I tested them with my Bose QC15s
 
I used aptX (352kb/s) on my MacBook Pro Retina and non aptX (325 kb/s) - Then I used the headphone jack on the computer.
 
Here's what I heard, and I used Stone Temple Pilot's Wicked Garden because there is a lot of distortion that can actually be separated on decent equipment
 
aptX (352 kb/s)
HD Tracks - Muffled a bit, distortion was not separated
CD - Still muffled a bit but distortion was separated more than HD tracks - It was still distorted though.  I think the CD sounded a little better than the HD Track since there was not as much information in the music to sift through
MP3 - Muffled a lot, distortion was not separated at all - CD and HD Tracks sounded better
Movie on Quickplayer and on Amazon - I didn't notice lag unless I was really looking for it.  Also, the aptX did not interfere with my wifi signal as much as the SBC (Depending on settings, it could be the opposite for you)
 
Regular Bluetooth from Apple (325 kb/s) SBC Codec - A2DP Steaming - (I know some things about bluetooth but am no expert by the way)
Performed the same as the aptX, but I thought the aptX sounded a little better.  Even on my testing, I thought the SBC Codec sounded the same, but I realized it wasn't set to aptX
Movie on Quickplayer and on Amazon - I did notice a little more lag than the aptX but not as much as I thought I would.  I could live with it I guess.
 
QC15's Plugged into the Computer
HD Tracks - Wow, music went from right to left and it felt like my head was floating.  Plus, I got chill bumps.  Granted, I had been listening to Bluetooth for a good while.  All of the Distortion was separated
CD - The Distortion was separated, but the sounds didn't float from left to right like on HD Tracks (Maybe HD Tracks remastered/re-engineered it or something - I don't know) 
MP3 - No comment (Maybe I just got a bad download.  Perhaps, I'll compare to the iTunes later)  HOWEVER, the MP3 sounded about the same on Bluetooth AND plugged in.  Which, is pretty important.  
 
In summary - If I'm really listening to music, Bluetooth and aptX has a ways to go.  However, for TV - I like the Bluetooth.  Also, Wicked Garden requires a decent setup so hearing the difference may not be as great with other music using Bluetooth.  
 
Thanks for reading this far...
 
May 14, 2015 at 5:24 PM Post #24 of 26
   
Thx for this post and yes, that's the solution I tried as well: BlueAnt apt-X receiver connected to V-Moda XS (also tried with NAD Viso HP50 too). Unfortunately this adapter doesn't have great range and don't even bother with the earphone that comes with it. The value is solely in the receiver.
 
While I think it was a good concept, it was just poorly executed. The ribbon design is quirky and has really poor ergonomics. The buttons are very hard to press so coupled with its odd shape it's just very difficult to use. But at least it's a decent apt-X solution until I can find another one.

 
I also had the Ribbon and lost it. My opinion is very similar to yours. Have you managed to find something better?
 

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