where to buy 4-conductor cable and TRRS jacks?
Dec 5, 2011 at 12:12 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 6

Ruahrc

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I recently bought the Sennheiser PC360 headset for use while gaming or watching movies at night.  It's a pretty good setup except for the headset cable, which is ridiculously long.  Well at least it's ridiculously long when using the wireless Astro Mixamp 5.8, since you have 9 feet of cable to span the 2 foot distance between your ear and the portable mixamp receiver.
 
I want to make/buy 2 lengths of cable, so I can reduce this cable monstrosity and keep myself from tripping over it one day.  The catch is that since it's a headset and not just headphones, I need a 4-conductor cable, and a 4-pole 3.5" stereo jack (otherwise known as TRRS).  I want to have one short cable for use with the mixamp, which would be 4-pole male to 4-pole male, and then one long cable (like it is now) for use with the PC which would be 4-pole male to 2x 3.5" stereo (one for mic and one for headphones, since my PC has separate plugs for headphones/mic).
 
Does anyone know a source to buy these components so that I may solder my own cables?  Or maybe point me to a source where I can have someone custom make me this cable?  I also need to find a 4-pole female jack that I can have a short tail on the headset and switch the cable lengths as needed.
 
It doesn't need to be uber quality, since the intended usage is not particularly high end, but something at least as good as it is now would be great.
 
Thanks
 
Ruahrc
 
Dec 5, 2011 at 12:22 AM Post #2 of 6
markertek
 
Dec 15, 2011 at 2:28 AM Post #3 of 6
Thanks for the tip.  Ordered a female TRRS jack and a male TRRS plug as well as a 2-3 ft. TRRS to TRRS cable from a different source (ridiculously expensive shipping, but was pretty much the only choice).
 
Man, what a difficult solder!
 
Cutting the PC360 cable and trying to get those tiny thready wires into the female TRRS jack was rough.  It's hard because each conductor is just a few strands thin of copper wire surrounded by a nonconductive varnish (instead of insulation to prevent shorting between the wires), making them very resistant to accepting solder.  Also each conductor bundle seems to have a core of a few thin fibers (kevlar?), making it hard to cut cleanly, and the fibers interfere with getting a good solder too.  For a little while I almost thought I had junked the headphones, and figured it was a lost gamble and I'd need to buy a new set.  I even tried to get inside the earcups to see if I could just solder new cable right from the source, but couldn't find a way to get in those.
 
But, I soldiered on and finally got it soldered up and when I plugged it in... HOLY CRAP it worked!  Seriously surprised (and relieved!) that it worked!  In fact it works really well, the only side effect is that when I turn the volume all the way down on the mixamp, if sound is playing I can still hear it albeit very faint.  I think it must be some kind of crosstalk or bleed due to the mangling of the conductors from the soldering.  But I don't think I can make it any better than it is, and there is not enough spare cable on the headset side to attempt a fix only to have me screw up and junk the headset.
 
The male TRRS plug I bought I was going to turn the rest of the cable that I cut from the PC360 into a dual TRS to TRRS male-male cable (basically exactly how it comes stock) so I could use the PC360 on the PC.  That solder job was even harder since the leads on the male TRRS plug were ridiculously difficult to attach (Again with the varnish making the little conductors not easily accepting solder), and after several tries I finally thought I had it, but when I tested it on the PC the mic didn't work and also the sound balance was off (left channel was okay, but right channel would play out of both channels simultaneously).  I am debating whether to order another style of TRRS male plug to try the soldering again, or just buying premade cable to do the job.  It's kind of embarrassing for me to say since I usually consider myself competent at soldering, but this is almost beyond my ability (or perhaps my equipment, I don't have any of those little holder clips and stuff to keep things in position) to confidently do a good job at.  The plug I got was a "low profile TRRS" and I think if I got a regular one, it might have more traditional leads that would be easier to solder onto like the female TRRS jack I bought had.
 
FWIW, if anyone else has the guts to tackle a cable mod on their PC360s, if you snip the cable you will see a total of 5 conductors.  Red, Green, Red+Green, bare copper (strands that surround a white insulated conductor), and a white insulated conductor (which has another bare copper strand within).  The pinout is as follows:
 
Green- Audio L(?) <-- goes to the tip of the headphone jack
Red - Audio R (?) <-- goes to the first ring of the headphone jack
Green+Red - Ground <-- goes to the sleeve of the headphone jack
Bare copper - Ground for mic <-- goes to sleeve of mic jack
Bare copper inside white insulation - Mic signal <-- goes to first ring of mic jack
 
To make the connections to the 4-conductor jack I joined the two grounds together and used the following:
tip: green cable
first ring: red cable
second ring: green+red cable, plus bare copper ground
sleeve: mic conductor (white insulated cable)
 
Anyway tl:dr- I got the headset soldered correctly, and now I am happily enjoying having my mixamp rx on a short leash, no more miles and miles of spare cable washing around!  Need to address the PC connection so I can use the headset on the PC still though.
 
Dec 16, 2011 at 12:40 PM Post #4 of 6
Well done! 
 
I hate those kinds of enameled wires... good on your for soldiering on. I usually just tear the whole thing out and start with new wire. :)
 
Dec 16, 2011 at 2:47 PM Post #5 of 6
Any project involving magnet or litz wire without a solder pot is destined to end in either a serious struggle, a partial success, or epic failure. Certainly everyone should own one for working on stock cables.  
 
Dec 19, 2011 at 2:16 AM Post #6 of 6
Did a little more checking, and the "zero volume bleedthrough" I described earlier actually seems to be inherent to the mixamp 5.8, and not a feature of my solder job.  I plugged a different set of headphones into the mixamp and heard the same effect.  Guess I never noticed or bothered to try this out before.
 

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