What's wrong with the iPod Touch?

Sep 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM Post #61 of 104
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Originally Posted by Skampster /img/forum/go_quote.gif
All arguments about the touch from now on should be leaving out the 1 and 2G and now only focus on the current 3G model.

Hating on the touch if you have not heard a 3G is pointless.


I disagree. All of the 1g and 2g ipod touch models didn't suddenly disappear. People will still be using them and selling them for years to come. They are still being sold at shops around the world and online as well. Don't forget all the Apple refurbs that constantly pop as well.

Therefore, impressions about 1g, 2g and 3g sound characteristics are useful and welcome in this thread. People only need to specify which generation they're reviewing. Seems simple enough to me.
 
Sep 21, 2009 at 4:23 PM Post #62 of 104
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Originally Posted by azncookiecutter /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Some of the comments criticizing the iPod Touch in this thread is completely asinine.


Lazy posting by people who havent done their homework. "I had a Sony Discman back in 81 that sound dire. Therefore all Sonys sound dire" That kinda crud. Kinda weird considering the attention to detail that more typical of Head Fi. Its just iPod bashing tbh.

Personally I think the 1G shuffle and 2G Touch are up there with any portable I've owned. Other iPods I didn't like along the way, 4/5/6 gen classic, 2g shuffle, 1g mini. I pretty much dismiss any comment that not specific about the generation and specific model.
 
Sep 21, 2009 at 4:33 PM Post #64 of 104
To be precise, the OP asked specifically about his 2g touch.

Just because he uses present tense doesn't mean current generation. They are all called an "ipod touch". The other models didn't suddenly cease to exist because the 3g came out. Most people still have the old generations anyway.

He also included this:

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Thoughts and arguments for/against iPod products, incl. the Touch.


 
Sep 21, 2009 at 5:25 PM Post #67 of 104
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Fool /img/forum/go_quote.gif
It's indeed a matter of opinion. But I must say that - just like you - I haven't heard any Apple DAP that sounded very convincing to my ears. That's why I won't ever buy an iPod. They have their strenghts but great SQ is my highest priority in a DAP. Apple has some great computers, though...


my problem with arguments like this is that you mention SQ. no one on these bloody forums can even mention what it is. they say space, or crispness, or the ability to playback mp3 believably; there isn't any benchmark. someone might say the bass is better: what does that mean? what is better bass? what is better treble? or, smoother mids?

the problem with saying that company a doesn't focus on SQ and that b does, is that SQ is nothing more than a buzz word. there is no such thing as SQ unless someone advertises it in some way. till then, there is only hardware and likes or dislikes. SQ comes after company a says their products sounds great and then, people notice that b says nothing about it. then, panties begin to stretch and b is criticised.

of course, if you don't like apple's sound, that is fine, but i don't see a single way in hell that its sound can be trodden upon any more than any other company, unless you begin by suggesting that you don't like well separated stereo, that you prefer bass roll off and hiss. then, i will agree that by your terms, apple's ipods (especially the touch 2g/3g which will pass out under your qualifications) are complete rubbish.
 
Sep 21, 2009 at 5:39 PM Post #68 of 104
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Originally Posted by shigzeo /img/forum/go_quote.gif
of course, if you don't like apple's sound, that is fine, but i don't see a single way in hell that its sound can be trodden upon any more than any other company, unless you begin by suggesting that you don't like well separated stereo, that you prefer bass roll off and hiss. then, i will agree that by your terms, apple's ipods (especially the touch 2g/3g which will pass out under your qualifications) are complete rubbish.



Well seperated stereo is not what I've ever heard on any iPod. What I've heard is a boring and lifeless presentation of music. It's is no wonder they need seperate amps (and DAC's) to achieve the same level of sound quality of the class-leading DAP's of Cowon and Sony. All imho of course.
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Sep 21, 2009 at 5:50 PM Post #70 of 104
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Fool /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Well seperated stereo is not what I've ever heard on any iPod. What I've heard is a boring and lifeless presentation of music. It's is no wonder they need seperate amps (and DAC's) to achieve the same level of sound quality of the class-leading DAP's of Cowon and Sony. All imho of course.
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fair enough, but i think it would be better to leave SQ out of it. my any measurable margin, cowon are out classed by a hoard of daps from apple to zune, a-z. what cowon do more or less right is: low amounts of hiss in all/most of their players, and decent eq/sfx implementation. but the excitement you are hearing is only the accentuation by about 0.5-1dbl of treble. the cowon machines also have quite a poor stereo separation which is lower than most other companies, but that of course may be good for rock, jazz, many genres which you might want a bit more warmth i suppose.

in that way, they are a quality of sound which is not heard on the ipod touch which, as you know, presents music in natural tones. apple's hands-off approach to sound engineering means that their line of audio products most closely resemble the sound of an engineer's workplace whereas other companies try hard to emulate a car stereo.

i am a former cowon owner and all it took was the ipod touch 1g to convince me that i was missing out. what i missed when switching was the eq and of course, the rather clean sound of the d2 (the hiss on the ipod touch 1g is as bad as a meizu, or iriver player).
 
Sep 21, 2009 at 6:20 PM Post #71 of 104
The iPods I've heard so far are: Touch (1st and 2nd G), Mini (all), Nano (3rd and 4th G), Shuffle (1st G) and the classic iPods (untill (5,5 G). Clearly we all hear different things because the Cowon's I've had (F2 and I7) were extremely superior to the iPods. For me the seperation of instruments, punch, details,... overall the sound is much more powerful with a Cowon than with an iPod. If I should make a comparison with my stereo set-up I would daresay that the iPod sound is comparable with when the radio is on (thin, boring, weak lows), whereas Cowon is more like the full-bodied presentation of my CD-player.

This is my opinion. And if you like your iPods better, that's fine by me. I don't want to start a rant. It's all about enjoying your favourite music after all. Have a great evening fellow Head-fi'ers!
 
Sep 21, 2009 at 10:57 PM Post #72 of 104
Unless you actually know what the original source is supposed to sound like, you will never have any idea if your favorite DAP is producing that source the way it should be heard.

So all you really have is if the DAP you like is playing song X the way you like song X to sound.

I haven't really enjoyed Most Metal with headphones till I heard the 3G and TripleFi combo. And if I hear something that sounds better to me, Ill change to that.
 
Sep 21, 2009 at 11:56 PM Post #74 of 104
Ive been listening to Live after death by Iron Maiden since 1986, and the other day listening to it on the above combo, I heard minor feedback problems during the gig that I have never ever heard before. And im a sound engineer, and know those problems all too well.
 
Sep 22, 2009 at 12:12 AM Post #75 of 104
My iPod touch (1G) made the music I love (mostly Jazz and fusion, pop and rock) lifeless and boring. Made my ears and head hurt after 20 minutes of listening. May be the next generations are better... but people seems to deny that... The reason I bought a SONY at all is that I couldn't bear the Touch. And I have good phones, not the white ones. years ago, when the first ipod came out I went to a store and checked it out. It was a piece of crap sound, the worst I ever heard, I couldn't understand how people could buy such a thing... now the Touch is better than that first iPods... however it doesn't make you want to listening to music.
 
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