i just went again and listened again with more speaker including the expensive and active Pioneer RM-07, they were really great and better sounding than the Klipsch's full towers imo, they produce sub bass like a subwoofers
while still having the rest of the range in check. And they are build like a an actual tank !
Active speakers tend to do the low end better for a couple of reasons:
1. They tend to be used from shorter distances ie nearfield. Bass frequencies might in theory reach longer distances if you think of how AM freqs are longer than FM freqs (or how that ghetto Cadillac can rattle your windows from six blocks away), but in practice, as far as human ears are concerned, bass is harder to hear and even measurements tend to show that.
2. They have an active crossover feeding separate amplifier channels for the tweeters and midwoofers, instead of a single amp channel going into a passive crossover that splits the signal into the drivers. This allows easier matching of the gain on the midwoofers' amps vs the tweeters' amps depending on room acoustics and listener preference.
A Full Active car system also works that way, on top of which it allows for time alignment for each driver.
Still i didn't like the presentation of all speakers, they give front imaging and that's lame imo.
Well...the stage is supposed to be where they are, not circled around one guy. Of course, hey, if you can afford private performances, well, kudos to you.
It's like if i have to chose to sit in front of concert or i have to tell the the performers to sit around me, and that's a big deal and selfish so you can't get that irl...
The whole point in a proper speaker system is to sound like
real life, where you hear the whole slew of instruments within a certain space with
both ears, not one ear hearing one channel each.
...but headphones gives it to you.
yeah there are some speakers that gives the sense of depth as well, but no even close the headphones's holographic presentation around your head, and i don't think a wider front imaging, chest and hair bumps be more valuable than the holographic presentation of headphones it's just too immersive to trade.
"Holographic" actually refers to where the instruments are on stage and not the rather selfish intent to feel like several people are performing for just one person that stands in the middle of them.
And actually it is speakers that can give a real sense of depth since you can hear both drivers and thus the imaging cues as when they were recorded by two microphones playing within a room. Without Crossfeed or recordings designed for headphone playback what you're getting as "holographic" or "sense of depth" are some of the sounds getting pushed too far forward away from the stage towards you, like how Grados seem to suggest that all recordings were done to look like the Fantastic Four retired and Reed Richards was on the drums as the cymbals are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out to the flanks and the front. Which, you might notice, is not possible, because no human has ever reacted to gamma radiation by turning into stretchable rubber.
and as you mentioned maybe i am not used to that presentation but it definitely did not grab me after two long auditions, and i don't think more premium speakers will change my opinion that much because most of the speakers i listened to were great but the presentation is a big turn-off to me.
You're really just used to music being presented that way from having used only decent headphones and maybe some crap PA speakers that aren't even set up for proper imaging, plus there's your need to feel like you're the center of the world for the performers, so in that sense there's really no substitute for headphones.
Although of course you could always just improperly position speakers to get the same effect. Like sit in the middle with both aimed directly towards you, as with headphones.
But then again, there's no point in getting a Scala Utopia if you'd just position them improperly with the goal being to make them sound like headphones, when the goal precisely is to make them sound different (or conversely, headphones are trying to catch up to that with headphone playback-specific recordings, Crossfeed, angled drivers, etc), so if headphones that try to sound like speakers aren't your thing, just avoid anything with angled earpads and driver mounts (most especially the AKG K1000) or anything with Crossfeed (like Meier and iFi).
