What's a cool looking and deadly weapon
Jun 4, 2014 at 12:53 PM Post #16 of 49
Unfortunately, the best tank in the world is still a rolling coffin on a modern battlefield. There are literally TONS of weapons specifically designed to take out tanks. You can thank the "Fulda Gap" scenario for that - the US spent many, many years coming up with weapons that would be used try to stop the massive Soviet armor from entering Western Europe through the Fulda Gap. My favorite is one I also worked on (but just on the periphery) - the "Brilliant Anti-Tank" (BAT) submunition that is dropped by the dozens from cruise missiles and bombs.

 
The problem then is that you still need boots on the ground, and APCs (essentially also tanks) and helicopters aren't any safer. Tanks simply changed their role, and the design and tactics are developing as necessary. From charging deep against some less-fortified positions and encirclement in WW2 (like Army Gruppe B coming out of the Ardennes) up to the 1967 Six-Day War they functioned pretty much the same way that Alexander's Companions did, and the vulnerability of tanks were already made clear just six years later in the Yom Kippur War.
 
But then there's still the old problem - how else do you get boots on the ground? Again, other vehicles aren't any safer, just cheaper (the reason I'd prefer the Merkava is because of the higher survival rate of the crew, not the tank). Vietnam showed that helicopters are just as vulnerable (although you can't really use tanks in the jungle), ditto the Hind's record in Afghanistan. The tank isn't absolutely obsolete, one type of tank is, as well as old tactics developed for it - the Main Battle Tank. The Merkava is the best among MBTs in terms of protection, but of course it's still an MBT; it can however make for a convincing design prospect for how a low-profile medium or light tank can be designed. Engine up front means you can still use it to charge entrenched positions not covered by helicopters with heavy missiles, while the smaller size can mean it can be easier to conceal and sneak up on targets. Instead of being escorted by APCs, they either escort larger APCs with more troops, or each tank brings its own (albeit smaller) infantry squad, reorganizing from platoons of mechanized infantry going along with heavy armor into having one unit commander-tank gunner, driver, and three or four mechanized infantry.
 
We're just entering another phase of the cycle that cavalry went through before thanks to pikes and guns. Guns coming into wide use didn't really make them obsolete (heck massed formations of the repeating crossbow didn't really help the Chinese against the Mongols), and pikes on their own were only useful if the Swiss were fighting a defensive battle similar to (the initial phase of) Marathon and Thermopylae;* not even tactics combining them together made all cavalry obsolete. All that became obsolete were heavy lancers,** although such cavalry were still in use past the Napoleonic Wars and even in WW1 they were still around. Speaking of WW1, just because they were useless in the Western Front thanks to all the trenches, doesn't mean they weren't useful in the East, although again these are no longer cataphracts or even riders wearing a cuirass. What were useful since the 18th Century over the Hussars and other heavy lancers were Dragoons who can get to critical points quickly, shooting from horseback or using curved swords in slashing+running attacks as opposed to a massed charge with lances, or dismounting and firing from cover behind the enemy. The Dragoons are essentially the Mechanized and Airborne (helicopter) infantry that we have now, in the same fashion that the lance-wielding heavy cavalry used to be the main battle tanks (and cataphracts were the ridiculously impractical and large tanks, like the Konigstiger).
 
 
*this one was more of ridiculous stupidity and arrogance on the part of the Hapsburgs than a revolutionary turn in warfare
**which had an even shorter reign in Japan - the massed opening charge by the heavy yari cavalry with infantry mopping up a scattered army was introduced by Shingen, then made obsolete shortly after his death at Nagashino

 
 
 
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In a less serious way of looking at it on the very long term, if the tank were to be really obsolete, it would probably be something that would make fighter-bombers obsolete as well, meaning a weapons platform that is fast and agile enough that conventional dog fighting tactics (and that includes long-range AA missiles) won't work since instead of trying to get behind the other jet it can just turn around and shoot it, for which its fire control system is accurate enough, and yet it has enough firepower to punch through tank armor.
 
I don't think we'll see such a weapon in our lifetime though.

 
Jun 4, 2014 at 9:30 PM Post #18 of 49
In a less serious way of looking at it on the very long term, if the tank were to be really obsolete, it would probably be something that would make fighter-bombers obsolete as well, meaning a weapons platform that is fast and agile enough that conventional dog fighting tactics (and that includes long-range AA missiles) won't work since instead of trying to get behind the other jet it can just turn around and shoot it, for which its fire control system is accurate enough, and yet it has enough firepower to punch through tank armor.

I don't think we'll see such a weapon in our lifetime though.



Well, actually, the "all-aspect" and "lock-on after launch" Air-to-Air missiles are pretty darn close. The pilot can designate the target in his HUD and shoot - regardless of the aspect angle to the target. Check out the Rafael Python-5 and the DRM/ASMT.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/drm.htm
 
Jun 28, 2014 at 11:07 AM Post #20 of 49
 
 
After I said yes, my life as I knew it disappeared.

LOL 
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Jul 1, 2014 at 12:53 PM Post #21 of 49
Your name is Bilbo Baggins :D
 
Jul 14, 2014 at 11:41 PM Post #25 of 49
Besides the Barrett M821A, the CheyTac Intervention M200 (.408 CheyTac) can also land killshots on human sized targets at more than a mile.
 
CheyTac Intervention system - M200 along with it's ballistics software calculator and wind range meter
 

 
Dillon Aero M134 mini gun 7.62 NATO 2000 to 6000 rounds per minute depending on firing rate selection.
 
 
 
Jul 15, 2014 at 12:06 AM Post #27 of 49
   
 
Now that is sweet. A .50mm sniper rifle. Wow. I wonder how accurate?

 
Nowadays electronics will decide that. The spotter no longer needs a sheet of paper to make calculations; a laser rangefinder that can take into account angle, wind and humidity, and can calculate how far off the target the sniper should aim. On the world record shots like the one held by Canadian special forces, they had to aim over 30ft off-target to compensate for wind and bullet drop - the guy with the rifle doesn't even see the target in his scope (let alone use those old-timey notches to compensate for those factors), and the spotter's job becomes infinitely more important at that range (hence the use of computers to speed up the process, rather than have him solving a Calculus exam at every shot).
 
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US military snipers have been able to take out insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan at a distance of more than 1 mile with the Barrett M821A.

 
Almost a mile and a half, actually - 2.3km. The top distance records though are held by Commonwealth forces - British on #1 with a 0.338 and Canadians on 2 and 3 with a 50cal.
 
Jul 15, 2014 at 10:21 AM Post #30 of 49
Why is military guys always so horny looking and sounding?
 

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