LFF
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Xnor....you're the man!
No, it would only be like that if there was any conclusive evidence supporting the claim that higher sample rate than 44.1 kHz actually sounds better in a statistically significant and practically useful way (i.e. not something along the lines of "1 out of 100 people can barely hear a difference in 1 out of 100 recordings at unrealistically high listening levels and in a perfectly silent environment"). On the other hand, saying that 44.1 kHz is clearly inferior and one has to upgrade to "high resolution" formats for proper music enjoyment is akin to saying that there are aliens on Earth because there is no evidence that there aren't any.
Analog turntable is totally silent , it plays only the musical signal, not some constant whining noise, and can not be heard during listening through either headphones or loudspeakers.
Regarding statistically significant and practically useful way - I would have to agree with your remark regarding perfectly silent enviroment. Even if you somehow menage to procure that perfectly silent enviroment - any digital device not running off cards of one sort or another, also those involving CD drives and hard disks, can be and will be heard intruding upon - assume that for a moment - perfectly silent digital recording. Analog turntable is totally silent , it plays only the musical signal, not some constant whining noise, and can not be heard during listening through either headphones or loudspeakers.
What if YOU are that one not satisfied with the sound of CD - without knowing it ?
Are you sure you really mean this ?
This is contrary to my experience and I suspect the experience of many others.
I have owned CD players (including a Yamaha 5 CD changer) that were mechanically perceptually silent from a distance of 18".
I've never owned a turntable which was silent during playback while listening to moderately quiet classical music (such as the opening bars of Mahler 1) on headphones or speakers. At higher levels the noise is obviously drowned out but LP/TT is a relatively noisy combination compared to CD/CDP. There are so many sources of noise from LP/TT . That is why I went digital 28 years ago.
I should add I used vinyl from 1968 up till 1984 and when I heard my first CD player, a humble Marantz CD63 , the lack of perceived noise was a defining difference from my Rega 3/RB300/Nagaoka combination.
While clearly not the last word in quality It was a decent rig and I was very careful with my LPs but even pristine vinyl had some noise of its own. I can't conceive of a TT/LP combination that eliminates all audible noise especially during quiet passages. There are just so many places for LP/TT noise to creep in. You are basically dragging a rock through a canyon while it careens wildly from side to side, if the center hole is punched a tiny fraction of a mm out the stylus has an impossible job, then there is noise from the motor, the bearings, the phono stage, the massive EQ applied to the output - that LP does as well as it does is almost a miracle. If you throw an enormous amount of engineering precision at the problem and listen in a clean room with a pristine LP you might get an overall SNR of 80db or so on a good day with a following wind.
Have you not heard of passive cooling, SSDs, or NAS with cheap HDDs (in another room)? And just rip the CDs instead of playing from them if your CD player (must be a cheap one) or drive is too loud.
Do ABX tests and some research before drawing conclusions.
Saying that sound stops at 20 kHz is akin to saying the Earth is flat
To clarify matters - meant was ACOUSTIC output from either turntable or cd/hard disk drive - not the signal from either propagated through usual audio path and listened to with either headphones or speakers.
Sure I heard of all those solutions. Do not like inconvinience of having to have gear in another room because it produces audible noise - the reason why my beloved Eminent Technology ET2 pick up linear tracking air bearing arm is getting less play lately because of the noise of the compressor that has to be silenced one way or another. My CD/SACD player is Pioneer PD D6J and it is inexpensive (around EUR 500 when new) and it is about average in cd drive noise - there are quieter, but also much higher priced players that produce more cd drive noise. Ripping SACDs is too much hassle at the time and although I could play DSD ripped from SACDs on Korg DSD recorders for even better SQ than provided by PD D6J, I think it is not worth the trouble. Maybe when I add a good DSD DAC such as Mytek - but that adds the noise of the pc hard drive/fan again and SSD is simply too expensive for my extensive DSD library of couple of terabytes which is constantly growing. 11 min of audio = 1GB with DSD at 5,6 MHz.
Ripping the CDs to computer and playing them through either USB or optical to my DAC produces worse results than played them from PD D6J with a good CD mat via coax to my DAC - either way, seems to be stuck with PD D6J. PC is more noise usually than PD D6J either way.
I can do all the ABX in the world - but can not know if some other person, you included, might not hear things differently.
I used to have an ET2 arm. I placed the compressor in a closet and used a long hose.
Do you need ultraviolet rays and infrared rays to look at art too?
Unless something whooshes like Hoover Dam, I generally worry a lot more about the sound it puts out through the speakers than the sort of minimal noise a computer makes. The Mac Mini I use as my music server is pretty much silent. So is my Sony bluray player.
Through headphones just about everything sounds unnatural!