What is this called?

[Ghoostknight]

Hello,

i "recently" (really the last 2 years) to somewhat discern between 432Hz and 440Hz tuning, it was only possible to do this with some listening to some dedicated 432Hz playlist to really tell the difference (it generally sounds a smitch darker/smoother)

recently i created these two threads:

Thread 'The "Silver Frequency/Tuning"'

Mar 16, 2025

Hello, i just created a playlist of songs that are neither tuned to 432Hz or 440Hz but actually to a tuning that sounds "in tune" with the sound of silver

i thought its a interesting fact after noticing it, if you like silver in your system these might be the perfect songs for you

https://listen.tidal.com/playlist/99e89a59-50b9-41f4-854d-0f9f2b473024

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Thread 'The "Water Frequency/Tuning" (Non 440Hz Tuning)'

Mar 20, 2025

Hello,

as in my previous thread about Silver Frequency/Tuning : https://www.head-fi.org/threads/the-silver-frequency-tuning.976179/
i wanna show in this one the "Water Frequency Tuning"

actually a quite funny playlists if you get it

https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/0223cae9-0743-4db5-a986-13e9093abd48

EDIT: the song "Cemetry Gates" made me curious, it also sounds in tune with a screeching door, lol

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since i started to hear when something is "in tune" or rather it sounds somewhat unpleasent when something is out of tune

and finally to the question, is this ability to hear something out of tune or rather in tune called something? i really am lost at what to search for or is that a given for musicians?

 

[dunring]

There's a big article all about it at:

https://www.izotope.com/en/learn/tuning-standards-explained.html

It's called heightened sensitivity to pitch and intonation if you can tell the difference between them.

 

[Roseval]

Try "absolute pitch" or "perfect pitch"

 

[gregorio]

and finally to the question, is this ability to hear something out of tune or rather in tune called something? i really am lost at what to search for or is that a given for musicians?

I’m not clear on what you’re asking. Certainly a musician and even most non-musicians would be able to hear the difference between 432Hz and 440Hz. A musician would need a tighter ability than that, in order to tune their instrument correctly in an ensemble, just a couple of Hz or so at that frequency. It’s not really called anything, just “a sense of pitch”.

If you’re referring to the ability to hear if something is “in tune with the sound of silver”, then that would be called “Crazy” or “Delusional” (or both), because silver is a metal, it doesn’t have any sound and you can’t tune to it!

G

 

[Ghoostknight]

I’m not clear on what you’re asking. Certainly a musician and even most non-musicians would be able to hear the difference between 432Hz and 440Hz. A musician would need a tighter ability than that, in order to tune their instrument correctly in an ensemble, just a couple of Hz or so at that frequency. It’s not really called anything, just “a sense of pitch”.

yea that is what im asking, the thing is i was never aware of this as a non-musician till somewhat recently

If you’re referring to the ability to hear if something is “in tune with the sound of silver”, then that would be called “Crazy” or “Delusional” (or both), because silver is a metal, it doesn’t have any sound and you can’t tune to it!

Why directly so hostile?

everything has a resonance frequency and certain material have a certain sound to them
while you can change the sound with dimensions of the metal piece, there is still a pretty specific tone to a certain material, specially silver-collectors who know how to check for real silverr via tone know what im talking about

for example, a shower head will actually make the "water frequency" quite obvious (you can literally open a youtube video of shower noise and play it in tune along the playlist i made)

 

[gregorio]

yea that is what im asking, the thing is i was never aware of this as a non-musician till somewhat recently

You were never aware that musicians need to have a sense of pitch and have to tune their instruments?

Why directly so hostile?

Because it’s crazy/delusional!

while you can change the sound with dimensions of the metal piece, there is still a pretty specific tone to a certain material, specially silver-collectors who know how to check for real silverr via tone know what im talking about

There is NOT “a specific tone to a certain material”. A specific item may have a specific tone if you hit it but the pitch it produces (if any) will depend on the material/s it’s made from along with the amount of material, the shape and dimensions of the item, what you hit it with, how, where and how hard you hit it. Relating this to music; Brass instruments are obviously made of brass, there is no specific audible resonant frequency to brass, it entirely depends on the shape, dimensions, etc., of the brass. If that were not the case then a tuba and a trumpet would have the same pitch/tuning and obviously they don’t. Additionally, making the instrument out of silver or silver plate instead of brass does not change the pitch/tuning. Same with say a metal stringed instrument, it’s the length, thickness and tension of the metal string that defines its pitch/tuning, not the metal the string is made from. This is pretty much the first ever sound science, discovered over 2,500 years ago.

for example, a shower head will actually make the "water frequency" quite obvious (you can literally open a youtube video of shower noise and play it in tune along the playlist i made)

Water does not have a frequency any more than air has a frequency, water hitting something can have a frequency but the frequency is determined by what it’s hitting, how much and how hard, etc., the water is hitting it. For example, waves crashing on a beach does not create “a frequency”, it creates “noise” containing almost all the audible frequencies, very similar to white noise.

The hostility is because you’re making crazy assertions in a Sound Science forum when you don’t even seem to understand the absolute basics. Have you never heard waves crashing, the different sound say rain makes when hitting different structures/materials, different lengths of instrument strings, differently pitched brass instruments, drums or the different keys on say a xylophone, vibraphone or marimba? Why don’t all the keys on a vibraphone have the same pitch/tuning when they’re all the same metal? It’s almost impossible to believe that you don’t know how acoustic instruments or even sound in general works, all school children are taught that.

G

 

[2leftears]

You were never aware that musicians need to have a sense of pitch and have to tune their instruments?

Because it’s crazy/delusional!

There is NOT “a specific tone to a certain material”. A specific item may have a specific tone if you hit it but the pitch it produces (if any) will depend on the material/s it’s made from along with the amount of material, the shape and dimensions of the item, what you hit it with, how, where and how hard you hit it. Relating this to music; Brass instruments are obviously made of brass, there is no specific audible resonant frequency to brass, it entirely depends on the shape, dimensions, etc., of the brass. If that were not the case then a tuba and a trumpet would have the same pitch/tuning and obviously they don’t. Additionally, making the instrument out of silver or silver plate instead of brass does not change the pitch/tuning. Same with say a metal stringed instrument, it’s the length, thickness and tension of the metal string that defines its pitch/tuning, not the metal the string is made from. This is pretty much the first ever sound science, discovered over 2,500 years ago.

Water does not have a frequency any more than air has a frequency, water hitting something can have a frequency but the frequency is determined by what it’s hitting, how much and how hard, etc., the water is hitting it. For example, waves crashing on a beach does not create “a frequency”, it creates “noise” containing almost all the audible frequencies, very similar to white noise.

The hostility is because you’re making crazy assertions in a Sound Science forum when you don’t even seem to understand the absolute basics. Have you never heard waves crashing, the different sound say rain makes when hitting different structures/materials, different lengths of instrument strings, differently pitched brass instruments, drums or the different keys on say a xylophone, vibraphone or marimba? Why don’t all the keys on a vibraphone have the same pitch/tuning when they’re all the same metal? It’s almost impossible to believe that you don’t know how acoustic instruments or even sound in general works, all school children are taught that.

G

"frequency" is a buzzword used in many pseudoscientific and meditation theories.

The same goes for "energy", "synergy", "tuning", etc. etc.

These misappropriations of scientific terms are rarely if ever anything to do with the scientific meaning.

Likewise, "magic" properties such as magnetic and piezoelectric properties get widely reinterpreted/misinterpreted in pseudoscience. Hence the indiscriminate placing of magnets and Rochelle salt in order to improve the sound (in the case of audiophile tweaks).

If one really wants to talk about a scientific concept of the "frequency" of water, it would have to be the molecular electromagnetic resonance frequencies starting at some 2.45GHz microwaves or higher.

Of course Ghoosty has no reservations dumping these pseudoscientific reinterpretations into a science discussion forum. We all know how that ends (as does he himself!)

 

[gregorio]

If one really wants to talk about a scientific concept of the "frequency" of water, it would have to be the molecular electromagnetic resonance frequencies starting at some 2.45GHz microwaves or higher.

Sure, but then the result of that molecular resonance is heat, not sound. When you put your lunch in a microwave oven, it just gets hotter, it doesn’t start singing a Verdi opera!

G

 

[Ghoostknight]

Have you never heard waves crashing, the different sound say rain makes when hitting different structures/materials,

yes, for best effect you hit two pieces prehnite together (or fill a glass with a bit of water and put "more water" inside so water is hitting (mostly) water)
of course water hitting sand (or better put sliding a sand beach along) will have another tone to it

Well, how people check for real silver via tone then, as i never heared you have to be careful to only test certain dimension coins for example?

another theory would be that certain materials have a certain harmonic profile and its that harmonic profile which sounds in tune with certain audio tunings etc

 

[gregorio]

yes, for best effect you hit two pieces prehnite together (or fill a glass with a bit of water and put "more water" inside so water is hitting (mostly) water)
of course water hitting sand (or better put sliding a sand beach along) will have another tone to it

So either that’s a “no” you have never heard waves crashing on a beach or, you have no idea what the term “tone” means.

Well, how people check for real silver via tone then, as i never heared you have to be careful to only test certain dimension coins for example?

I have no idea, I presume they hit the silver object with something else and then the duration of the sound/tone is longer with pure silver than with other alloys.

another theory would be that certain materials have a certain harmonic profile and its that harmonic profile which sounds in tune with certain audio tunings etc

That’s not another theory, there is no other theory, don’t you know what the term “theory” means either? Do you know the meaning of any of the terms you’re using? And WHY are you posting assertions in a science discussion forum if you don’t even know what the terms you’re using mean? Jeez!

G

 

[Ghoostknight]

you never fail to show your ignorance

I have no idea, I presume they hit the silver object with something else and then the duration of the sound/tone is longer with pure silver than with other alloys.

No, silver has a higher and somewhat clearer pitch to it compared to silver plated or similar fakes



the apps shown in the video test the specific frequencys produced, but my point is silver as a inherent sound/frequency profile or whatever it is to itself (just like any material) which can be heared if you know what to listen for

 

[gregorio]

you never fail to show your ignorance

You don’t know the meaning of the terms you’re using or the fundamental basics of sound and I’m the one showing my ignorance! A real Ghoostknight classic!

No, silver has a higher and somewhat clearer pitch to it compared to silver plated or similar fakes

Silver doesn’t make any sound at all until you hit it with something, what is wrong with you? And then, the pitch is determined by the size and shape of the object made of silver, not by the fact it is silver. And lastly, looking it up, assuming the same size and shape, then silver seems to have a less clear pitch when struck, exactly the opposite of what you’re claiming!

What has any of this to do with audio equipment, are you trying to play your silver cables with drum sticks?

G

 

[FunkyBassMan]

you never fail to show your ignorance


No, silver has a higher and somewhat clearer pitch to it compared to silver plated or similar fakes



the apps shown in the video test the specific frequencys produced, but my point is silver as a inherent sound/frequency profile or whatever it is to itself (just like any material) which can be heared if you know what to listen for

gregorio's doing his usual hostile BS routine with as many insults and exclamation points as he can get in. Don't take it personally--his only reason to be here is to trash people. He's a sick individual.

the situation is this -- when you tap real silver, it makes this clear, bell-like ringing sound—and there’s science behind that. Every solid object has a natural way it vibrates when you hit it, called its resonant frequency (Rossing, 2007). The sound it makes depends on things like its density, stiffness -(more technically known as elastic modulus), and how much it dampens vibration (callister & Rethwisch 2018). Silver happens to be really good at ringing—it’s dense, stiff, and doesn’t soak up vibration quickly—so the sound it makes is bright and lingers for a moment. That’s why real silver coins or spoons give off a high, clear tone, while fakes made from cheaper metals like steel or nickel sound dull or short—their physical properties are just different.

Scientists measure this by recording the sound and using Fourier analysis, which breaks it down into all its different frequencies (Norton + Karczub 2003). Real silver has a consistent pattern of harmonics that show clearly in the data, like a fingerprint. In fact, this same idea is used in non-destructive testing (NDT) for metal parts in engineering: by tapping or vibrating an object and analyzing the sound, you can often tell what it’s made of or if it has cracks or flaws (ewins, 2000). Some coin collectors even use apps that do this automatically—they "listen" to the ping of a coin and compare the sound frequencies to known silver coins. So yeah, while the ring test isn’t perfect on its own, it’s not a myth either—it’s backed by solid physics and real-world engineering tools.

 

[gregorio]

gregorio's doing his usual hostile BS routine with as many insults and exclamation points as he can get in. Don't take it personally--his only reason to be here is to trash people. He's a sick individual.

So I’m a sick individual because according to you I’m only here to trash people. So therefore, according to your own logic, as your reason to be here is to trash me, then you are admitting that YOU are a “sick individual”!

Incidentally, the rest of your post was COMPLETELY irrelevant because the OP was claiming to tune his system to the silver in his system, not to a coin or other silver object that is free to ring if you hit it!

So yippee, yet again, you’ve not only misunderstood the point, you’ve made a completely false allegation about me and embarrassed and made a fool of yourself. How stupid does someone need to be, to keep repeating exactly the same mistake every single time?

G

 

[Ghoostknight]

Scientists measure this by recording the sound and using Fourier analysis, which breaks it down into all its different frequencies (Norton + Karczub 2003). Real silver has a consistent pattern of harmonics that show clearly in the data, like a fingerprint. In fact, this same idea is used in non-destructive testing (NDT) for metal parts in engineering: by tapping or vibrating an object and analyzing the sound, you can often tell what it’s made of or if it has cracks or flaws (ewins, 2000). Some coin collectors even use apps that do this automatically—they "listen" to the ping of a coin and compare the sound frequencies to known silver coins. So yeah, while the ring test isn’t perfect on its own, it’s not a myth either—it’s backed by solid physics and real-world engineering tools.

yea its probably the harmonic profile then that makes this "special tone" which might just incedentially sound "in tune" with a certain (or multiple) music tuning scale(s)?

Incidentally, the rest of your post was COMPLETELY irrelevant because the OP was claiming to tune his system to the silver in his system, not to a coin or other silver object that is free to ring if you hit it!

No, i have literally two 99.9% (999/1000) 1Oz silver coins (usually in my ground box, but not really relevant here), the sound it makes hitting those together im referring to (one grabbed with two fingers in the middle of top/bottom side, so one coin is somewhat free to ring)