What is the best way to bypass/decrapify computer audio?

May 17, 2022 at 5:24 PM Post #106 of 122
Well whether they don’t have to add noise is another question.
Not according to your and others’ assertions! You stated step 1 is to use Linux based distribution and others have listed all sorts of needed changes; power supply changes, shielding different parts of the MB, special bios and various “de-crappyfiers”, etc.

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May 17, 2022 at 5:55 PM Post #107 of 122
What happened to the old audiophile canard about minimizing the number of components in the signal chain? The new model seems to be stuffing as many black boxes of dubious (at best) functionality into Dr. Frankenstein's vision of a home audio system.

And yet with dozens of black boxes in the signal chain, audiophiles still post about the awesome "synergy" of their 37 component/cable systems...
 
May 17, 2022 at 6:03 PM Post #108 of 122
Not according to your and others’ assertions! You stated step 1 is to use Linux based distribution and others have listed all sorts of needed changes; power supply changes, shielding different parts of the MB, special bios and various “de-crappyfiers”, etc.

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Where/ when did I say that? Frankly I stated the opposite.
What happened to the old audiophile canard about minimizing the number of components in the signal chain? The new model seems to be stuffing as many black boxes of dubious (at best) functionality into Dr. Frankenstein's vision of a home audio system.

And yet with dozens of black boxes in the signal chain, audiophiles still post about the awesome "synergy" of their 37 component/cable systems...
personally I beleive in fewer boxes and de crapifiers as possible although many swear by them .
 
May 17, 2022 at 6:03 PM Post #109 of 122
What happened to the old audiophile canard about minimizing the number of components in the signal chain? The new model seems to be stuffing as many black boxes of dubious (at best) functionality into Dr. Frankenstein's vision of a home audio system.

And yet with dozens of black boxes in the signal chain, audiophiles still post about the awesome "synergy" of their 37 component/cable systems...
I think that refers only to analog chain. Digital chain appears to be more is better 😄
 
May 17, 2022 at 6:05 PM Post #110 of 122
Let me be clear I stated to de crap the computer don’t, use it. a dedicated quality server is the answer. One doesn’t need anything else although folks do. Take imo as it is, I tested, tried, and this is my observation. Do what you want
 
May 17, 2022 at 6:17 PM Post #111 of 122
Where/ when did I say that?
My bad, that was chesebert and others. The point still stands though, where’s all this noise/distortion on the recordings being reproduced, that have been created with standard PCs/Macs?

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May 17, 2022 at 6:22 PM Post #112 of 122
why Do some recordings sound better than others? Why does music sound better from some delivery methods than others. These are things we ponder but are easily discernible
 
May 17, 2022 at 7:28 PM Post #113 of 122
Let me be clear I stated to de crap the computer don’t, use it. a dedicated quality server is the answer. One doesn’t need anything else although folks do. Take imo as it is, I tested, tried, and this is my observation. Do what you want
I agree the music server is probably the best option for best sound quality but the problem with the music server is that its mucho dinero.

Then theres the convenience factor...

Since most people are using their pc as a pc and also as a music source, it makes sense we are all looking for little things to reduce the crap the pc and its components introduce into the audio signal within a budget that hopefully doesn't surpass the cost of our gear.

The ifi igalvanic is a good example of a device that helps alot to "decrapify" the pc audio signal. Theres also options from wired 4 sound, sotm, pinkfaun, jcat, etc.

I'll be getting a jcat femto usb soon and I can't wait to try it out.
 
May 17, 2022 at 7:31 PM Post #114 of 122
I used audio quest jitterbug before i got my server, It cleaned up some at the expense of dynamic sound. Thx but that’s all I got on this subject.
 
May 17, 2022 at 8:25 PM Post #116 of 122
I'm still on the fence about the ipurifier 3.

There was a noticeable difference with it installed in my system with the igalvanic. By itself it sounded better than with just the usb cable but also sounded more compressed / closed in. There seems to be a little better resolution with both installed but I did not like the compressed sound. It does sound cleaner but at the cost of losing microdynamics and liveliness in the music. It makes it sound flat.

I also have the denafrips ares ii, if that reviewer did not notice an audible difference in the sound, he probably should just get the cheap crap and not bother spending money on any "snake oil" high end gear, since all dacs would probably sound the same to him. My mother can hear the difference with her 66 year old non audiophile ears.

He's already gone that route with the cables. Using $5 cables on an $800 dac, what a waste of money. Perhaps thats why he can't hear an audible difference.

Before this turns into another cable argument, I'll put it this way...at canjam nyc the DCS room had Nordost Valhalla 2 power cables on all of their Bartoks at the show, they cost $6k a piece, about 90% of the vendors were using high end headphone cables on all their setups, primarily moon audio headphone cables. They must all be on that psychedelic snake oil...
 
May 17, 2022 at 9:03 PM Post #117 of 122
He's already gone that route with the cables. Using $5 cables on an $800 dac, what a waste of money. Perhaps thats why he can't hear an audible difference.

Before this turns into another cable argument, I'll put it this way...at canjam nyc the DCS room had Nordost Valhalla 2 power cables on all of their Bartoks at the show, they cost $6k a piece
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May 18, 2022 at 3:48 AM Post #118 of 122
why Do some recordings sound better than others?
Because they are performed differently, in different studios/venues with different mics positioned differently and then mixed and mastered differently.
Why does music sound better from some delivery methods than others.
It doesn’t, unless you’re comparing different masters, the source/host is applying some loudness normalisation, compression or other processing, or the DAC is being used incorrectly or is faulty/incompletely designed.
These are things we ponder but are easily discernible
Pondering is fine, arriving at incorrect conclusions due to marketing hype, not so much.
They must all be on that psychedelic snake oil...
Or supporting products with by far the biggest profit margins in the business.

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May 18, 2022 at 3:56 AM Post #119 of 122
Haven't used any of these purifiries, but I know that USB output on macbooks is not good option. Adding DDC in such chain made the biggest improvement apart upgrading to better headphones. Of course you can perfectly listen going direct from mac -> DAC, but in all setups it carried similar attributes going that route, congested staging and sharper/more annoying treble.

Even warm headphones like hd650 improved, but the biggest difference was heard with speakers and high end headphones. I think good streamer is the way to go or a decently made "all in one" box for headphones, but as someone said it costs soo much dinero.
 
May 18, 2022 at 4:14 AM Post #120 of 122
Of course you can perfectly listen going direct from mac -> DAC, but in all setups it carried similar attributes going that route, congested staging and sharper/more annoying treble.
I’ve worked with numerous mac setups and they never changed the staging or treble, unless of course the software you’re using allows you to change the audio or does so by default (such as iTunes and loudness normalisation).

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