What headphones are most like those used to monitor 70's rock?

Dec 27, 2007 at 5:38 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 17

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When classic Zeppelin, Dead, ABB's, etc records were being mixed in the 60's/70's what headphones were the engineers usings and what HP's can you buy today that sound similiar?

I have AKG271's now which I like but I need a different set for a new rig I am putting together. These 271's just have a organic midrange without being too distant or too harsh.



Headphones I have tried but hated:

AKG501's - I pay $150 extra for a front row seat not nose bleeders
KSC75 - Music is compressed enough by mastering, I need dynamic weight.
 
Dec 27, 2007 at 9:00 AM Post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by troymadison /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Denon D2000 :/


I add to that the Darth Beyer DT770, which the Denon and Darths both remind me of the Koss monitor headphones I had in the late 70's.
 
Dec 27, 2007 at 1:59 PM Post #6 of 17
GRADO RS-1, the best bass u can find ..for rock users..
 
Dec 27, 2007 at 3:04 PM Post #7 of 17
if you found the k501 treble excessive and would like a toned-down version with much better bass extension, I'd suggest the k601. Their lack of the very deepest bass won't be noticed much with older rock.
 
Dec 27, 2007 at 3:35 PM Post #8 of 17
For a few months I worked in a small UK recording studio in the early 1970‘s, Unfortunately headphones were never used for any form of critical monitoring or sound balancing. This was done at ear shattering levels by large loudspeaker systems capable of taking constant abuse. High sensitivity, consistency and to a somewhat lesser extent ‘good sound‘ (or impressive sound for the paying customers) were the order of the day. In the UK some form of Tannoy dual concentric drive unit in Lockwood cabinets would often be used, and in the States various combinations of JBL drive units would be bolted to similar large scale boxes. Neither of these approaches produced very accurate results, and because of their over-the-top bass and peaky horn loaded treble sometimes produced unbalanced and bass-light records. Not until the arrival of the BBC influenced Spendor BC1 (in the UK at any rate) did the industry start to realise how bad and coloured the monitoring had previously been. Later a de facto rock studio started to emerge in the USA with the arrival of the ‘Eastlake studio Package’ with it’s Kino****a (spelling?) monitoring system. This was even louder and used four or more 15-Inch JBL bass units and a pair of large and complex wooden horn-loaded treble units.

To get an idea how the mix would sound on a home system various cheap and cheerful little boxes would be perched on top of the mixer’s metering bridge. These would be switched on from time, usually during the mix down or reduction as we called it, no headphones were used though.

Of course headphones were used in the studio mostly to enable musicians to play along to previously laid down tracks, and also to get an acceptable individual sound balance. This was known as ‘fold back’, but there again the headphones used were only something that would be reliable and easily serviced (Beyer DT100’s) or else something cheap and disposable. Quality was not the first consideration, we used Airlights which I believe were usually to be found in aircraft cockpits!

Now to replicate the sort of sound that would be found sitting at a 1970’s mixing desk all you need is something vintage from the likes of JBL or Tannoy and a big amplifier (and some ear plugs). To do it with headphones I suppose something from the lower end of the Grado range (surprise surprise) would do the trick, something not too smooth or refined. I have a pair of SR125s which remind me a lot of my Tannoy Monitor Gold, which once could be found in many rock recording studios of the early 70’s.
 
Dec 27, 2007 at 10:04 PM Post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by Thermionic /img/forum/go_quote.gif
For a few months I worked in a small UK recording studio in the early 1970‘s, Unfortunately headphones were never used for any form of critical monitoring or sound balancing.


No surprise in that: there were hardly any good monitoring headphones available until the mid seventies, when AKG cracked the segment wide open with the K240, and then Beyer started doing fancy versions of the DT100 and 150 to compete. Senn was completely dedicated to its newfangled "open" headphones, Koss was only starting to admit to itself that paper cone drivers were outdated, and the Japanese companies other than Stax were only just getting on the bandwagon in the late seventies. The great Fostex orthodynamic studio headphones were from the late 70s, as were the Peerless MB line. There were of course dozens of other brands from that time that are now defunct, but I don't know of any of them that made studio headphones to have stood the test of time.
 
Dec 27, 2007 at 10:22 PM Post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by Serge44 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Koss Pro/4AAA are the best headphones for Led Zeppelin and other such bands.
I mean cans of 70's, NOT the modern Koss Pro/4 AAA Titanium or Koss Pro/4 AAAT.



Agree. The vintage Koss Pro 4AAA's, and that fat, full 70's analog sound are a perfect match.
 
Dec 27, 2007 at 10:45 PM Post #12 of 17
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"For a few months I worked in a small UK recording studio in the early 1970‘s, Unfortunately headphones were never used for any form of critical monitoring or sound balancing. This was done at ear shattering levels by large loudspeaker systems capable of taking constant abuse. High sensitivity, consistency and to a somewhat lesser extent ‘good sound‘ (or impressive sound for the paying customers) were the order of the day."


Yup, I think Thermionic is on an even keel here. The closest I have found is a bit pricey and hard to come by... You start with the PS-1 drivers, rip em' from their original enclosures, ad silver conductors, headphiled woodies on ye ol CD3000 set, rip apart the headband to cut it in half and ad metal bands to re-fuse it together and give a tighter and more stable configuration so the drivers are both solid and close to the ears, then just a few more tricks and tweeks to the drivers, woodies and enclosures , hee hee, and, lordy-lordy, are you ever rocking in the phat... The 70's rock studio on your head including the oblivious grin. It's not the perfect headphone, but I always think it is when it's on my head, ha. How bad do you want to rock, is the question, ha.
 
Dec 28, 2007 at 2:29 AM Post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by ph0rk /img/forum/go_quote.gif
if you found the k501 treble excessive and would like a toned-down version with much better bass extension, I'd suggest the k601. Their lack of the very deepest bass won't be noticed much with older rock.



The problem w/ the 501's was the distance not the treble.
 
Dec 28, 2007 at 2:44 AM Post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by regal /img/forum/go_quote.gif
The problem w/ the 501's was the distance not the treble.


I think much of this effect on that whole family of headphones (Kx00, Kx01) is caused by the extreme depth of the earpads. I once tinkered around with some alternatives with my K400, and the distant feeling really diminished. Somebody ought to start offering modded AKG earpads with about half the foam removed.
 
Dec 28, 2007 at 3:15 AM Post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by facelvega /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I think much of this effect on that whole family of headphones (Kx00, Kx01) is caused by the extreme depth of the earpads. I once tinkered around with some alternatives with my K400, and the distant feeling really diminished. Somebody ought to start offering modded AKG earpads with about half the foam removed.


K240 earpads also fit on the Kx00/Kx01 phones with a little stretching, if one were so inclined. I've never actually listened to them this way though, so I don't know how it would sound, but it would put your ear right up by the driver, and drastically reduce the volume of air.
 

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