[oqvist]

Just received the V222. Audiolabs m-DAC+, V222 and ether c flow certainly synergize really well to these ears. Doesn´t seem to matter what I listen to it´s straight down the middle in preferred tonality. I do get the impression it´s ever so slightly on the warm side but it´s where I want to be most of the time.

 

[oqvist]

hmm what strategy should I go for. Best to run minimum gain on the amp and maximal signal out on my dac? Better to run +20 on dac and -18 on amp then 0 on dac and say -6 on amp?

 

[lowrider007]

A few posts back I was wondering how Phonitor amps compare to Violectric V222, since it was summarized here that V222 also has more like neutral character, rather than warm. Also, price of the Phonitor SE (single ended version) is approx. the same as that of V202. I had opportunity to audition a Phonitor XE (Phonitor SE should have the same amplification circle as Phonitor XE according to the SPL). Here are my impressions about it in the case someone is wondering the same (which I posted in some other threads):




Can someone give more details about the bass on V222? It is mentioned many times that it is strong and emphasized. But how fast is it? Does it have a longer decay and extended reverb covering all the voids in the background, or is it fast and tight (starting and stopping rapidly)?

Please don't take this the wrong way, but there comes a point when you've got to just take a plunge and try it out for yourself, we can only explain so much here, the bass is punchy, impactful, well controlled, fast but it's not what I'd call tight in a mid-centric 'analytical' sounding way, you know when you get that more mid-focused taught bass, this is a bit fuller but it isn't loose either, and it doesn't bleed into the mids.

You must have a dealer you can listen to it?, or buy a V222 online and send back if you don't like it, I think it's worth the cost of postage to try an amp out.

 

[Strale]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but there comes a point when you've got to just take a plunge and try it out for yourself, we can only explain so much here, the bass is punchy, impactful, well controlled, fast but it's not what I'd call tight in an mid-centric 'analytical' sounding way, you know when you get that more mid-focused taught bass, this is a bit fuller but it isn't loose either, and it doesn't bleed into the mids.

You must have a dealer you can listen to it?, or by a V222 and send back if you don't like, I think it's worth the cost of postage to try an amp out.

No offense taken, you are absolutely right. I will have opportunity to audition it in April but it is too far away and I am extremely curious and inpatient
Thanks for the response anyway...it is not obligatory to answer my questions

 

[RayMets1]

Finally pulled the trigger a purchased the V202, it will replacing my G111 mk2.
Will be pairing it with my Geshelli Labs J2S Dac with the AK4499 Dac Chip and Sparkos 3602 Opamps and with my Ayras Organics.

Received the v202 today and and after listening to it for a bit, I do notice that compared to my old G111 Mk2, It does have a fuller sound overall that you can really notice it in the low end. The G111 Mk2 tended to be more neutral and analytical overall. I also played around with the pre-gain settings on the back and notice the music sounded best on my Arya Organics when set to -6db, at 0 it was to just to strong and at -12db it lost some of its fullness of the sound, and was a little echoey as I went higher on the dial. -6db between 10-11 seems to be the sweet spot. I will keep listening but I think I have a keeper.
I wish I would have had the extra $300 to try the V222 and hear the sound difference between the XLR and single out.

 

[lowrider007]

Received the v202 today and and after listening to it for a bit, I do notice that compared to my old G111 Mk2, It does have a fuller sound overall that you can really notice it in the low end. The G111 Mk2 tended to be more neutral and analytical overall. I also played around with the pre-gain settings on the back and notice the music sounded best on my Arya Organics when set to -6db, at 0 it was to just to strong and at -12db it lost some of its fullness of the sound, and was a little echoey as I went higher on the dial. -6db between 10-11 seems to be the sweet spot. I will keep listening but I think I have a keeper.
I wish I would have had the extra $300 to try the V222 and hear the sound difference between the XLR and single out.

Out of interest was a fulller sound something you was looking for? Will be interesting to see your thoughts after a few more days of testing.

 

[oqvist]

Received the v202 today and and after listening to it for a bit, I do notice that compared to my old G111 Mk2, It does have a fuller sound overall that you can really notice it in the low end. The G111 Mk2 tended to be more neutral and analytical overall. I also played around with the pre-gain settings on the back and notice the music sounded best on my Arya Organics when set to -6db, at 0 it was to just to strong and at -12db it lost some of its fullness of the sound, and was a little echoey as I went higher on the dial. -6db between 10-11 seems to be the sweet spot. I will keep listening but I think I have a keeper.
I wish I would have had the extra $300 to try the V222 and hear the sound difference between the XLR and single out.

Is the potentiometre non linear? I am at -18 now but the m-dac signal is so strong I am not at 12 oclock and I don´t believe the ether c flow is that tough to drive

Shouldnt be any real difference beside powerwise if needed for xlr vs single out I recon.

Would indead be fun to try the 202 single ended vs v222 balanced. Haven´t tried single ended yet ether c flow just work so well I see no reason to listening to the hd 800s, elear, kennerton magni or emu teaks or sony cd 3000 or anything.

 

[RayMets1]

Out of interest was a fulller sound something you was looking for? Will be interesting to see your thoughts after a few more days of testing.

Yes the fuller sound was something I was looking for, I really liked the sound signature of the G111 and I wish I could of kept it, but there were times i wish I had a little more on the low end and I would have to EQ it in.

 

[RayMets1]

Is the potentiometre non linear? I am at -18 now but the m-dac signal is so strong I am not at 12 oclock and I don´t believe the ether c flow is that tough to drive

Shouldnt be any real difference beside powerwise if needed for xlr vs single out I recon.

Would indead be fun to try the 202 single ended vs v222 balanced. Haven´t tried single ended yet ether c flow just work so well I see no reason to listening to the hd 800s, elear, kennerton magni or emu teaks or sony cd 3000 or anything.

I'm really am not sure about the the potentiometer

I did notice that hollow sound came from being plugged in Furman AC Power conditioner. When I plugged directly to wall outlet and put it to -12db I was able to have nice normal volume sound at 12 o'clock on the Organics

 

[Angel III]

Received the v202 today and and after listening to it for a bit, I do notice that compared to my old G111 Mk2, It does have a fuller sound overall that you can really notice it in the low end. The G111 Mk2 tended to be more neutral and analytical overall. I also played around with the pre-gain settings on the back and notice the music sounded best on my Arya Organics when set to -6db, at 0 it was to just to strong and at -12db it lost some of its fullness of the sound, and was a little echoey as I went higher on the dial. -6db between 10-11 seems to be the sweet spot. I will keep listening but I think I have a keeper.
I wish I would have had the extra $300 to try the V222 and hear the sound difference between the XLR and single out.

I hope that over time you don't miss that nice neutral sound you had before. When I equalized the G111 MKII it never lost its neutral and clean sound signature. The entire bass region, even if boosted, always gave me many details, even small nuances. A few more months and I'll have the G111 back alongside the V200.

 

[LongSong]

Is the potentiometre non linear? I am at -18 now but the m-dac signal is so strong I am not at 12 oclock and I don´t believe the ether c flow is that tough to drive

Not sure about the pot but I've noticed that you can put the dip switches into a -24 configuration but the manual only says -18. I wonder if putting it in -24 makes a difference? Worth a try.

 

[oqvist]

Not sure about the pot but I've noticed that you can put the dip switches into a -24 configuration but the manual only says -18. I wonder if putting it in -24 makes a

difference? Worth a try.

Not really a problem. Yes read something you shouldnt go below - 21 or something like that. Its not a problem just curious if its non linear and have some optimum range where it behaves the best.

 

[Audiofilobrpt]

Friends, V222 arrived today.
I had a few hours to listen and do some tests.
I only used the Qutest as a DAC, as I've already decided that I'm going to leave the Ares II just for my stereo speaker system in the living room.

Therefore, theoretically, the V222 would already be starting at a disadvantage, as I am using the single-ended input, instead of the XLR.
But, you will see later that this advantage of Lyr+ was not enough…

Please understand that these are the impressions of someone who is almost new to the hi-fi hobby, but has enjoyed and listened to music for many years.

These are initial impressions, but I don't know if there would be room for any changes over time.
If there was a change, I think it would be in favor of the V222, which arrived completely new today and had its first few hours of use…
The Lyr+, I recently bought here from a very reliable Head-fi and had already been using it for a few months…

Overall, I found the V222 to be a bit more intimate and to have an exceptional bass presentation. Clean, well-controlled and very meaty bass. Better control in songs with strong highs. And an overall fuller presentation.

The Lyr+, to my ears, would win in the soundstage department and has a slightly more open presentation, especially for classical, live and acoustic music.

This description above already made me have a preference for the V222. But, there were details that stood out and made me take the Headphone out of my head and think: “Decided!! This is the amplifier!!”

The details were these:

Focal Clear:
In the first song (“6:00”) from Dream Theater's album Awake, the first 45 seconds of the song is impressive the control that the V222 has over this Focal Clear dynamic driver. What is this beat, my friends? What meaty bass is this?? Incredible!

HE1000 stealth:
The first song on Jalen Ngonda's album, “Come around and love me” becomes very difficult and tiring to listen to if the synergy doesn't control Jalen's high notes, which are strong in this song, especially.
I simply feel like I would get tired much faster if I had to listen to it on Lyr+.
The V222 is more calming…
I would listen to this song many times in a row on V222…
On the Lyr+, you would have to stop to rest your ears after the third repetition.

HD800s:
In fact, the Lyr+ has a slightly larger soundstage, but on the other hand it sounds thinner (compared to the V222) in almost all songs.
The V222 has a slightly more intimate presentation, but just like the Focal Clear, the Vio has very good control of the dynamic drive, even on the HD800s, the V222 manages to deliver clean and satisfying bass.
I think Lyr would only win in classical songs and some live performances.
But, it's not enough to stay alongside the V222.

I think the Lyr+, which I recently bought from a trusted Head-fier, will return to the classifieds.

I don't think it justifies keeping both.
Don't get me wrong, the Lyr+ is a very good amplifier, it's just that, to my ears and my system, it had a much stronger opponent on almost all sides.

 

[TheRealDz]

Friends, V222 arrived today.
I had a few hours to listen and do some tests.
I only used the Qutest as a DAC, as I've already decided that I'm going to leave the Ares II just for my stereo speaker system in the living room.

Therefore, theoretically, the V222 would already be starting at a disadvantage, as I am using the single-ended input, instead of the XLR.
But, you will see later that this advantage of Lyr+ was not enough…

Please understand that these are the impressions of someone who is almost new to the hi-fi hobby, but has enjoyed and listened to music for many years.

These are initial impressions, but I don't know if there would be room for any changes over time.
If there was a change, I think it would be in favor of the V222, which arrived completely new today and had its first few hours of use…
The Lyr+, I recently bought here from a very reliable Head-fi and had already been using it for a few months…

Overall, I found the V222 to be a bit more intimate and to have an exceptional bass presentation. Clean, well-controlled and very meaty bass. Better control in songs with strong highs. And an overall fuller presentation.

The Lyr+, to my ears, would win in the soundstage department and has a slightly more open presentation, especially for classical, live and acoustic music.

This description above already made me have a preference for the V222. But, there were details that stood out and made me take the Headphone out of my head and think: “Decided!! This is the amplifier!!”

The details were these:

Focal Clear:
In the first song (“6:00”) from Dream Theater's album Awake, the first 45 seconds of the song is impressive the control that the V222 has over this Focal Clear dynamic driver. What is this beat, my friends? What meaty bass is this?? Incredible!

HE1000 stealth:
The first song on Jalen Ngonda's album, “Come around and love me” becomes very difficult and tiring to listen to if the synergy doesn't control Jalen's high notes, which are strong in this song, especially.
I simply feel like I would get tired much faster if I had to listen to it on Lyr+.
The V222 is more calming…
I would listen to this song many times in a row on V222…
On the Lyr+, you would have to stop to rest your ears after the third repetition.

HD800s:
In fact, the Lyr+ has a slightly larger soundstage, but on the other hand it sounds thinner (compared to the V222) in almost all songs.
The V222 has a slightly more intimate presentation, but just like the Focal Clear, the Vio has very good control of the dynamic drive, even on the HD800s, the V222 manages to deliver clean and satisfying bass.
I think Lyr would only win in classical songs and some live performances.
But, it's not enough to stay alongside the V222.

I think the Lyr+, which I recently bought from a trusted Head-fier, will return to the classifieds.

I don't think it justifies keeping both.
Don't get me wrong, the Lyr+ is a very good amplifier, it's just that, to my ears and my system, it had a much stronger opponent on almost all sides.

I am glad to hear that you are happy. However, "burn in" is no joke; the V222 will sound better after a few hundred hours...

 

[Ichos]

Friends, V222 arrived today.
I had a few hours to listen and do some tests.
I only used the Qutest as a DAC, as I've already decided that I'm going to leave the Ares II just for my stereo speaker system in the living room.

Therefore, theoretically, the V222 would already be starting at a disadvantage, as I am using the single-ended input, instead of the XLR.
But, you will see later that this advantage of Lyr+ was not enough…

Please understand that these are the impressions of someone who is almost new to the hi-fi hobby, but has enjoyed and listened to music for many years.

These are initial impressions, but I don't know if there would be room for any changes over time.
If there was a change, I think it would be in favor of the V222, which arrived completely new today and had its first few hours of use…
The Lyr+, I recently bought here from a very reliable Head-fi and had already been using it for a few months…

Overall, I found the V222 to be a bit more intimate and to have an exceptional bass presentation. Clean, well-controlled and very meaty bass. Better control in songs with strong highs. And an overall fuller presentation.

The Lyr+, to my ears, would win in the soundstage department and has a slightly more open presentation, especially for classical, live and acoustic music.

This description above already made me have a preference for the V222. But, there were details that stood out and made me take the Headphone out of my head and think: “Decided!! This is the amplifier!!”

The details were these:

Focal Clear:
In the first song (“6:00”) from Dream Theater's album Awake, the first 45 seconds of the song is impressive the control that the V222 has over this Focal Clear dynamic driver. What is this beat, my friends? What meaty bass is this?? Incredible!

HE1000 stealth:
The first song on Jalen Ngonda's album, “Come around and love me” becomes very difficult and tiring to listen to if the synergy doesn't control Jalen's high notes, which are strong in this song, especially.
I simply feel like I would get tired much faster if I had to listen to it on Lyr+.
The V222 is more calming…
I would listen to this song many times in a row on V222…
On the Lyr+, you would have to stop to rest your ears after the third repetition.

HD800s:
In fact, the Lyr+ has a slightly larger soundstage, but on the other hand it sounds thinner (compared to the V222) in almost all songs.
The V222 has a slightly more intimate presentation, but just like the Focal Clear, the Vio has very good control of the dynamic drive, even on the HD800s, the V222 manages to deliver clean and satisfying bass.
I think Lyr would only win in classical songs and some live performances.
But, it's not enough to stay alongside the V222.

I think the Lyr+, which I recently bought from a trusted Head-fier, will return to the classifieds.

I don't think it justifies keeping both.
Don't get me wrong, the Lyr+ is a very good amplifier, it's just that, to my ears and my system, it had a much stronger opponent on almost all sides.

The V222 doesn't have any kind of disadvantage when you are using the single ended input. The working principle of the V222 is the single ended input has priority and XLR balanced input is also converted to single ended signals before it goes to the balanced amplifier. So don't worry since you are getting %100 of the amplifier.