Violectric V222 and V202

Feb 19, 2024 at 2:11 PM Post #1,486 of 2,634
As I hinted in an earlier post, I rolled opamps in my V222. I understand that Violectric does not recommend this, but here are my findings.

Burson was kind enough to send me a free pair of their Vivid V6 opamps in exchange for an unbiased review. Now that I’ve put maybe 500 hundred hours on the V6s, I feel I can provide a full review.

The stock opamps were super simple to replace. You just remove the top 4 screws from the front and back of the V222. There’s a lot of real estate around the sockets, so it was easy to pull out the stock opamps and replace them with the V6s. Note that you need to use a chip puller to do this though (~$2).

However, there is one more socketed opamp, which looks like some sort of buffer after the volume pot. I intend to replace that with another V6, and will report back on what I hear. In the meantime though, I replaced it with a highly-regarded Muses 1, but it immediately sounded too thick and warm. The stock opamp had much greater transparency, so it went back in. I didn’t have any other issues with the combination of stock buffer opamp plus the two Vivid V6s.

First, some background on the V222; contrary to some folks here, I don’t find my V222 to be especially warm. I hear a neutral overall sound, driving bass, mellow treble, and just a touch of warmth. But I also hear a lot of midrange resolution – which I think is what folks are hearing as warmth.

I was initially concerned about changing the tonal balance of the V222; I liked it just the way it was. But it was apparent within a few minutes of listening that this worry was…nothing to worry about. Ie, I didn’t hear a change in tonality. But what I did hear was a dramatic increase in resolution across the entire frequency spectrum. Bass didn’t increase, but was more textured. Treble lost some grain that I didn’t realize was there with the stock opamps – making it simultaneously smoother, yet more detailed. But it is the midrange that really stood out; greater resolution meant greater musical detail. The midrange detail plus the grain-free treble allowed me to listen louder and peer more deeply into the music.

In terms of technicalities, the sense of stereo imaging was enhanced – I think due to a blacker background. This made individual instruments and sounds much easier to track. Soundstaging was dramatically improved as well. I don’t think the soundstage became larger, but it became more three dimensional, with greater depth and gobs of layering.

For example, Madonna’s recordings are always first rate. On Vogue, the V6s brought out even more atmosphere than I have ever heard in the song – projecting a grand, deep, holographic soundstage. On Crazy for You, Madonna’s voice is presented within a huge soundstage – starkly silky and resonant, yet surrounded by the decay of subtle echos. On The Verve’s History, the violins at the beginning of the track show off the midrange resolution and grain-free treble, before Richard Ashcroft’s voice starts in as clearly as I have ever heard.

All of this resolution meant that I could hear musical details more clearly than ever before. I could hear the presumably mistaken lone doubled-up beat at :20 into Bruce Springsteen’s I’m on Fire, and the pair of taps at the beginning of Bob Seger’s Turn the Page. It was truly mesmerizing to hear that deeply into songs I have heard throughout my life.

So is it worth it to add the V6s to the V222? Absolutely. The V222 is already a fantastic amp, but the V6s took this already fantastic amp and brought up its performance to a level I simply did not expect. Now I am looking forward to hearing what substituting one more V6 for that last stock opamp will do…
Very nice to have these impressions! I agree that it is not too warm out of the box for sure, but then again I like gear that leans a touch warm. Interesting that these op amps seemed to improve resolution and technicality without much of an apparent change to FR. Seems like the Sparkos did boost the bass impact a noticeable bit - not sure if it actually increased the intensity at those frequencies or just changed speed or other technicalities that improved perception of it. The change in tuning is definitely to my liking though.

I’m curious if you ran into any trouble with issues of the device not starting properly after the swap. Also, I have been told by someone with much more knowledge about these amps than me that it may be best to just leave the op amp by the volume pot alone. Sounds like you had a similar experience. It is not at all clear that any sonic benefit is even possible from changing that one, but I welcome any information folks may have to the contrary.

Great post on these! Seems like an interesting product!
 
Feb 20, 2024 at 10:24 AM Post #1,487 of 2,634
As I hinted in an earlier post, I rolled opamps in my V222. I understand that Violectric does not recommend this, but here are my findings.

Burson was kind enough to send me a free pair of their Vivid V6 opamps in exchange for an unbiased review. Now that I’ve put maybe 500 hundred hours on the V6s, I feel I can provide a full review.

The stock opamps were super simple to replace. You just remove the top 4 screws from the front and back of the V222. There’s a lot of real estate around the sockets, so it was easy to pull out the stock opamps and replace them with the V6s. Note that you need to use a chip puller to do this though (~$2).

However, there is one more socketed opamp, which looks like some sort of buffer after the volume pot. I intend to replace that with another V6, and will report back on what I hear. In the meantime though, I replaced it with a highly-regarded Muses 1, but it immediately sounded too thick and warm. The stock opamp had much greater transparency, so it went back in. I didn’t have any other issues with the combination of stock buffer opamp plus the two Vivid V6s.

First, some background on the V222; contrary to some folks here, I don’t find my V222 to be especially warm. I hear a neutral overall sound, driving bass, mellow treble, and just a touch of warmth. But I also hear a lot of midrange resolution – which I think is what folks are hearing as warmth.

I was initially concerned about changing the tonal balance of the V222; I liked it just the way it was. But it was apparent within a few minutes of listening that this worry was…nothing to worry about. Ie, I didn’t hear a change in tonality. But what I did hear was a dramatic increase in resolution across the entire frequency spectrum. Bass didn’t increase, but was more textured. Treble lost some grain that I didn’t realize was there with the stock opamps – making it simultaneously smoother, yet more detailed. But it is the midrange that really stood out; greater resolution meant greater musical detail. The midrange detail plus the grain-free treble allowed me to listen louder and peer more deeply into the music.

In terms of technicalities, the sense of stereo imaging was enhanced – I think due to a blacker background. This made individual instruments and sounds much easier to track. Soundstaging was dramatically improved as well. I don’t think the soundstage became larger, but it became more three dimensional, with greater depth and gobs of layering.

For example, Madonna’s recordings are always first rate. On Vogue, the V6s brought out even more atmosphere than I have ever heard in the song – projecting a grand, deep, holographic soundstage. On Crazy for You, Madonna’s voice is presented within a huge soundstage – starkly silky and resonant, yet surrounded by the decay of subtle echos. On The Verve’s History, the violins at the beginning of the track show off the midrange resolution and grain-free treble, before Richard Ashcroft’s voice starts in as clearly as I have ever heard.

All of this resolution meant that I could hear musical details more clearly than ever before. I could hear the presumably mistaken lone doubled-up beat at :20 into Bruce Springsteen’s I’m on Fire, and the pair of taps at the beginning of Bob Seger’s Turn the Page. It was truly mesmerizing to hear that deeply into songs I have heard throughout my life.

So is it worth it to add the V6s to the V222? Absolutely. The V222 is already a fantastic amp, but the V6s took this already fantastic amp and brought up its performance to a level I simply did not expect. Now I am looking forward to hearing what substituting one more V6 for that last stock opamp will do…
Good afternoon!
Please write the model of the V222 native operational amplifiers (opamps).
 
Feb 20, 2024 at 11:21 AM Post #1,488 of 2,634
Good afternoon!
Please write the model of the V222 native operational amplifiers (opamps).
I am traveling, but will do when I return.
 
Feb 21, 2024 at 12:51 AM Post #1,489 of 2,634
Good afternoon!
Please write the model of the V222 native operational amplifiers (opamps).
The 2 by the inputs are Texas Instruments NE5532P and the one by the volume pot is a Texas Instruments LM4562NA
 
Feb 25, 2024 at 7:56 PM Post #1,490 of 2,634
Could the V222 help reduce the possible brightness in the treble that I experience when using the HE1000 stealth?

I have a Qutest and an Ares II connected to the Lyr+.
I still feel, even if very weakly, the HE1000 Stealth with bright treble in some songs.
A little less when I use Ares instead of Qutest.
Maybe I'm a little sensitive, I don't know!!

I'm thinking about buying the V222.
Will it have better synergy with one of my DACs?
Would Qutest + V222 be a better combination than Lyr+ to “solve” this treble situation that I feel in the HE1000 stealth?
 
Feb 26, 2024 at 12:12 AM Post #1,491 of 2,634
Could the V222 help reduce the possible brightness in the treble that I experience when using the HE1000 stealth?

I have a Qutest and an Ares II connected to the Lyr+.
I still feel, even if very weakly, the HE1000 Stealth with bright treble in some songs.
A little less when I use Ares instead of Qutest.
Maybe I'm a little sensitive, I don't know!!

I'm thinking about buying the V222.
Will it have better synergy with one of my DACs?
Would Qutest + V222 be a better combination than Lyr+ to “solve” this treble situation that I feel in the HE1000 stealth?
An amplifier can't reduce the brightness of a headphone. Given that, the V222 will not emphasized it, nor add any additional sharpness or harshness. In this regard it can be considered as a good match for the HE1000.
 
Feb 26, 2024 at 4:00 AM Post #1,492 of 2,634
An amplifier can't reduce the brightness of a headphone. Given that, the V222 will not emphasized it, nor add any additional sharpness or harshness. In this regard it can be considered as a good match for the HE1000.
Thanks for the answer!
I think I'll try the V222!!
I believe it will be a good combination!! After all, from what I read here too, it seems like it will be a great match for my HD800s too!!
I don't think I can go wrong with the V222 then.
 
Feb 26, 2024 at 4:13 AM Post #1,493 of 2,634
Thanks for the answer!
I think I'll try the V222!!
I believe it will be a good combination!! After all, from what I read here too, it seems like it will be a great match for my HD800s too!!
I don't think I can go wrong with the V222 then.
Yes indeed, it is one of the best solid state amplifiers for matching with the HD800S.
 
Feb 26, 2024 at 8:20 AM Post #1,494 of 2,634
Feb 26, 2024 at 8:53 AM Post #1,495 of 2,634
I was convinced!! I placed the order and I believe I won't be disappointed!
I'll wait for it to ship and pair it with the Qutest and/or Ares II and check out how the HD800s, HE1000 Stealth, Focal Clear OG and HD600 will sound!
I think I'll stop looking for an SS for a while. We will see!!

Edit: Has anyone tested with Qutest and Ares II and could share which synergy was better with any of these Headphones?
 
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Feb 26, 2024 at 1:43 PM Post #1,496 of 2,634
I was convinced!! I placed the order and I believe I won't be disappointed!
I'll wait for it to ship and pair it with the Qutest and/or Ares II and check out how the HD800s, HE1000 Stealth, Focal Clear OG and HD600 will sound!
I think I'll stop looking for an SS for a while. We will see!!

Edit: Has anyone tested with Qutest and Ares II and could share which synergy was better with any of these Headphones?
I haven't tried the Qutest, but I have a Musician Draco, which is more or less a "sister" product to the Ares 2 - and it sounds fantastic with the V222 and HD800S.
 
Feb 26, 2024 at 1:55 PM Post #1,497 of 2,634
I haven't tried the Qutest, but I have a Musician Draco, which is more or less a "sister" product to the Ares 2 - and it sounds fantastic with the V222 and HD800S.
Thanks!!
If the difference is very noticeable between them, it might be worth keeping both: Ares II (XLR) and Qutest (RCA) and possibly having two relatively different sound signatures to listen to depending on the music or mood.
I'll try it and see if it's worth keeping both!
 
Feb 27, 2024 at 10:08 AM Post #1,499 of 2,634
Finally pulled the trigger a purchased the V202, it will replacing my G111 mk2.
Will be pairing it with my Geshelli Labs J2S Dac with the AK4499 Dac Chip and Sparkos 3602 Opamps and with my Ayras Organics.
Come back with a sound analysis I’m sure you’re going to love it!
 
Feb 27, 2024 at 4:05 PM Post #1,500 of 2,634
A few posts back I was wondering how Phonitor amps compare to Violectric V222, since it was summarized here that V222 also has more like neutral character, rather than warm. Also, price of the Phonitor SE (single ended version) is approx. the same as that of V202. I had opportunity to audition a Phonitor XE (Phonitor SE should have the same amplification circle as Phonitor XE according to the SPL). Here are my impressions about it in the case someone is wondering the same (which I posted in some other threads):
Today I had opportunity to listen to Phonitor XE. It sounds fantastic, but I don't feel it belongs to the black background club.

People are saying it lacks bass, but I felt a contrary - sub bass is so strong, I never new AKG K712 can produce it down there. Maybe upper bass was just slightly missing (bass slam as it is usually called) but it sounded perfect to my ears, just the way it is. The mids (vocals) seem to be slightly pushed back in the overall tonal picture. The highs are very clean and precise. Really high definition of every single note. All that produced totally smooth, non-fatiguing sound which made me turning up the volume. I am very sensitive to shouty and harsh upper frequencies, and K712 is certainly not helping in that respect. However, Phonitor XE really put it under control. Nothing was rolled off, but high tonal accuracy and lack of any grain really made it smooth. Everything is under control, but yet very musical and engaging.

I was surprised with such amount of sub-bass. I think it somehow added some 'bloom' to the sound. So, that black background what we are talking about here, was not with Phonitor XE. I though it might be due to Zen DAC which was initially used as a DAC for testing, but then I switched to Phonitor's integrated AKM AK4490 DAC (DAC768) and it did not improve black background aspect of the sound. It just slightly added some sharpness, maybe clarity and punch compared to Zen DAC (I maybe liked more Zen DAC over that integrated DAC768 but not 100% sure...I would need much longer listening sessions to determine that). So something was always 'saturating the air, instead of having a void space'. I am comparing black background aspect with SR35 DAP.
Finally, Phonitor is a fantastic amp, no question about it. But it does NOT have black background sound signature as per the definitions given above. Its noise floor is great but black background is something else. I think Phonitor has some deep bass reverb which somehow fills the 'air' in the background (it is not noise!). It is very liquid sounding and that is probably the reason why someone who is get used to a tubes could like the Phonitor as well. So, there is no a 'void' space between the notes. The easiest way to test that is on some acoustic tracks. With Phonitor, a natural reverb from acoustic guitar would be more extended, thus filling the space. Maybe transients are a bit relaxed...
I would just add that I also tried closed back low impedance AKG K371 on the Phonitor, and somehow I did not like how it sounds on the Phonitor. It seemed to me like that reverb was too much on K371, somehow dominating the sound (it became way too 'bloomy'). Now I do not know if it is due to low impedance of K371 (32 Ohm) which might be low for the Phonitor (some people were mentioning that Phonitor is not good for low impedance cans) or maybe due to slightly elevated sub bass of K371 which is not synergizing well with the Phonitor (or something entirely else...).

Can someone give more details about the bass on V222? It is mentioned many times that it is strong and emphasized. But how fast is it? Does it have a longer decay and extended reverb covering all the voids in the background, or is it fast and tight (starting and stopping rapidly)?
 

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