Valab NOS DAC - subjective listening and modifications
Aug 14, 2009 at 6:48 PM Post #796 of 2,013
Hi Newk Yuler,

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Aug 18, 2009 at 2:30 AM Post #797 of 2,013
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Aug 18, 2009 at 6:46 AM Post #798 of 2,013
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Originally Posted by tubes /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Oqvist. No sine waves here. There's no quick fix for noise that I'm aware of unless it's a damping issue. Some have reported noise during break in that has dissapeared after final break in.


This is my first post here. I received my Valab DAC this morning, it's the "Luxury Version" at a premium price (I went for broke). First listening, Co-Ax from my Marantz, was very positive, however after about half an hour I was hit with loud hash/interference sounds from both channels. It persisted when the Co-Ax cable was removed so I asume it's an internal problem with the DAC.
If the DAC is switched off for a while it performs well again for a time then the noise returns. For the moment I'm running it to see if it settles down (or smokes). The lower casing forms the heatsink for the chips and is only warm to the touch, so I don't think it's overheating. Hopefully the reports mentioned above are correct and I'll get back my faith in my fellow man.
Regards, Don.
 
Aug 19, 2009 at 2:08 AM Post #800 of 2,013
Quote:

Originally Posted by donh /img/forum/go_quote.gif
This is my first post here. I received my Valab DAC this morning, it's the "Luxury Version" at a premium price (I went for broke). First listening, Co-Ax from my Marantz, was very positive, however after about half an hour I was hit with loud hash/interference sounds from both channels. It persisted when the Co-Ax cable was removed so I asume it's an internal problem with the DAC.
If the DAC is switched off for a while it performs well again for a time then the noise returns. For the moment I'm running it to see if it settles down (or smokes). The lower casing forms the heatsink for the chips and is only warm to the touch, so I don't think it's overheating. Hopefully the reports mentioned above are correct and I'll get back my faith in my fellow man.
Regards, Don.



I received mine a couple of days ago. I am having a hum problem as if there is a ground loop. Changed amplifiers, cd player but no luck.The humming gets louder as the dac gets warm.I emailed Kevin regarding this problem who replied that some degree of background hum will always be there.

My speakers are high efficiency open baffles. Could this be the source of the problem? Does this humming go away as DAC burns in. I do like the sound of the dac very much.
 
Aug 19, 2009 at 2:45 AM Post #802 of 2,013
I have 99db speakers and hear no hum. I haven't heard any hum from the beginning. Others have said the hum goes away with burn in, give it a try you have nothing to lose, contact Kevin and let him know, if it doesn't go away ship it back.

The screws that hold down the dac chip board were a little loose on mine, I snugged them up giving a little tighter more focused sound, you might want to check them.
 
Aug 19, 2009 at 4:31 AM Post #803 of 2,013
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Originally Posted by kamaths /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I received mine a couple of days ago. I am having a hum problem as if there is a ground loop. Changed amplifiers, cd player but no luck.The humming gets louder as the dac gets warm.I emailed Kevin regarding this problem who replied that some degree of background hum will always be there.

My speakers are high efficiency open baffles. Could this be the source of the problem? Does this humming go away as DAC burns in. I do like the sound of the dac very much.



My Valab DAC is the latest "Luxury" version and has internal mains filtering. The problem I had was a severe hash noise that sounded like mains interference. Never had this problem with any of my gear before. I ran the Valab DAC in my work room for some hours, monitoring the coming and going of the noise while I did other things. When I used my heat gun on some shrink tubing I noticed that the noise from the DAC ceased.
Suspecting that the voltage probably dropped a bit when I used the heat gun, I connected the DAC via my Variac and set the mains voltage to 220 Volts and the DAC has been playing for over an hour now without any noise at all.
The DAC Transformer primary is marked 115 Volts aside, connected in series for 230 Volts. My mains Voltage is consistantly 240 or above so I can only assume that the DAC power supply has insufficient tolerance to cover 240 Volts or higher.
I wonder if anyone else has had this problem, I'm hoping that my Valab will be Ok from now on, I just need to find more a permanent means of dropping the mains voltage.
Cheers, Don.
 
Aug 19, 2009 at 10:31 AM Post #804 of 2,013
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Originally Posted by PatOMalley /img/forum/go_quote.gif
you may need to damp the transformer from a mechanical hum.
Open the chassis and press on the transformer. If the hum subsides then put some blu tac on the top of the transformer enclosure and close the lid.



Thanks for the reply. Will try that when I get home from work. Hope I will resolve this problem as I really love the sound of this dac. It beats the sound of my Sony SACD XA777ES easily on red book CDs, more relaxed, tube like and musical.
 
Aug 19, 2009 at 11:54 PM Post #805 of 2,013
I plugged in the Lundahl LL1574 transformer which is 75ohm to 110ohm.
I asked Michael where the 75ohm resistor was on the board, tuff to find on the wandering 2008 version, and he told on the back between the two large coupling capacitors, the Russian PIOs.

WhereIs75.jpg


It turns out that there is a 100 ohm resistor sitting that spot. [smd resistor code 101 = 100]

101.jpg


I was tempted to tap an 10ohm Allen Bradley on there but resisted.

If you check your board you may or may not have 75ohm where it 'should' be. If you go for the LL7514, that's a good thing.

Yahoo, I win.
pulse.jpg


If you use a transformer in the VALAB you have the choice to remove the PIO caps as long as you have a transformer on your digital out or caps at source to block DC.
 
Aug 20, 2009 at 4:30 AM Post #806 of 2,013
Been reading the datasheet on the DIR9001 and it says "The DIR9001 needs an external differential to single-ended converter, attenuator, etc., for general consumer applications if non-optical transmission line is used."

I am interpreting this to mean a transformer needs to be used at input on coax, or optical will be superior. which has been my experieince.

Also when it says differential to single ended, the LL1574 is a 110 'used for balanced' sided tap to a 75ohm single ended tap. So an AES to s/pdif electrical conversion is happening. The data coming in can be either s/pdif or aes, we don't care as we are only using 16 bits and will not fault on the final bits on reception. Faults in conversion usually happen on outbound transmission.

So all indications are, after the fact for me, is that the LL1574 converting from 75 to 110 then hitting a 100 resistor is close to a very stable and linear transmission line.

Unless there is a resistor of about 350ohms in my path on the way to the DIR9001 .... but I don't see one ...

Any input on this is vastly welcome.
 
Aug 20, 2009 at 10:13 PM Post #807 of 2,013
Pat-

The Valab uses Texas Instruments AM26C32M receiver to convert both the differential input of the toslink and coax input to current output for the DIR9001 receiver chip. This chip also has a high and low level input for this reason. The switch on the back of DAC routes either the toslink or Coax to the 26C32M via the same circuit trace.

I checked the 2009 board and it also reads 75 ohms but I too measure a 100 ohm resistor. Maybe that value is a compromise because of the sharing the same trace on the board to the receiver chip for both Toslink and Coax.

Regardless I would not get hung up on the small impedance mismatch. However if you no longer have plans to use the Toslink input, I would bypass the optical/coax switch and those cheezy filter caps and run silver wire directly to the 100 ohm surface mount resistor.

Less is more.
 
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Aug 21, 2009 at 12:35 AM Post #809 of 2,013
Last November I started down the “Less is More” path of digital to analog conversion when I purchased my first Valab DAC. From the very beginning it outperfomed my megabuck DAC with the help of the Emprical Audio Pace CAR reclocker. Along the way I discovered various tweaks that further improved the sound and simplified the circuit path. I currently have in my possession 3 Valab DAC's.

#1): Is a late 2008 board with the DIR 9001 mod & 5.0uf cryo'd Jupiter coupling caps directly mounted. Stock A/C power supply.

#2): Is an early 2009 board with DIR9001 mod, DC-30 power supply, fully cryo'd DAC with 1uf Jupiter coupling caps directly mounted and A/C power supply circuit trace bypass, quasi SSOM. (See this link for pictures and full details)
Picasa Web Albums - Bill - Valab TeraDak...

#3): Is also an early 2009 board "without" DIR9001 mod, DC-30 power supply, fully cryo'd, 4.7 uf & .22uf bypass next generation Jupiter coupling caps mounted in an external condo. 8 each 47uf Blackgate FK caps directly soldered to each DAC chip, Caddock USF340 I/V resistors, and pure silver wired Super Simple Output Mod.

Today was the day I finally sat down and compared all 3 DAC's to each other. All music files are stored on my dedicated Mac Mini with Solid State Hard Drive. I rip all my music to .aiff files with an external TEAC DW-224SL-R Drive. I'm using XLD ripping software for Mac. http://tmkk.hp.infoseek.co.jp/xld/index_e.html XLD Setup Tutorial, follow exactly!
X Lossless Decoder (XLD): How to create flawless CD rips on Mac OS X :: What.CD
Output is currently via USB hijacked by the Amarra Music Player to an Empirical Audio Off Ramp 3 with Ultraclock. I use a Ridge Street Audio digital coax cable to the Valab, my favorite. (I will be trying direct I2S input in the near future so will probably pass on the coax input transformer. However galvanic isolation of the coax with a transformer is a must if you go that route). I select the songs via iTunes and an ELO touch screen monitor and wirelessly on my iPhone with the Remote app.

I started out today by adding the TeraDak DC-30 to DAC #2, cutting all extra circuit traces and adding a single bypass ground wire. DAC #2 still sounded clearly inferior to both DAC's #1 & #3.

Conclusion; the stock coupling caps are simply crap, plain and simple, rip them out with a pair of pliers’ and blow torch ... now!!!To equal things up I installed a pair of cryo'd 1uf Obbligato coupling caps. Better, but still no joy!

2nd Conclusion; cryo'd Jupiter coupling caps are clearly superior in all regards to the Obbligato’s. So next I did a direct solder install of a pair of 1uf cryo'd Jupiter's. That’s what I have been talking about for the past 9 months. This baby is born ... Kicking & Screaming!!!

3rd Conclusion; the stock A/C power supply is quite noisy compared to the DC-30. No surprise here. I turned off the tunes and cranked up my preamp. Downright ugly sounding vibrations in the woofer from DAC #1 with a grainy hiss from the tweeters. DAC #2 was the quietest, an even hiss from the tweeter with hardly a hum from the woofer. DAC #3, slightly pulsing hiss from the tweeter and small rolling hum from the woofer. (Least someone be confused here, all these noises are very low level and you have to stick your ear directly in the speakers to hear any of them … so don't get too excited you flamers). Yes I will be bypassing those A/C circuit traces on DAC #3.

4th Conclusion; I could honestly live with all 3 DAC in their present incarnations, and I am very picky. However, DAC #3 is clearly superior in all regards. (Except for that small noise issue that I will be fixing directly). No doubt the DC-30, SSOM, NG Jupiter’s, and Blackgate FK's make all the difference in the world. (Big shout out to Steve Nugent for the FK's & rewire tips). A 2nd place winner is harder to place at the moment, DAC #1 is seriously broken in and has those big 5uf caps that give a big bold musical presentation with the Bastanis Apollo speakers. While DAC #2 is more open and has better finesse I am doubtful the bass dynamic's will ever match DAC #1 & #3. Final Conclusion here is that 4.7uf caps (or larger) are still required if you run sealed box speakers that are flat down in the sub 30 regions like the Bastanis.

This event took me all day today but it was something that I had been working on all year. I never trust audio results that are arrived without factoring in the element of time and experience. That pretty much rules out just about everything and everybody but people with direct knowledge of the mods at hand. My biggest pet peeve is people who make comments based on something they read or results from a different project they worked on. One thing rarely has anything to do with the next my friends! So above all try it for yourself, don’t take it out of context, and please share your results.

Peace!
 
Aug 21, 2009 at 1:30 AM Post #810 of 2,013
hey Bill,

what do you think about adding another 8 -1543tda chips? piggy backing each of the dac chips.. I/V resistor will need changing and reboxed


Rich
 

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