Upscale Yamaha universal player for $80 shipped from Amazon

Dec 25, 2009 at 5:12 PM Post #31 of 42
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It seems they don't send it over europe
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How Unlucky 8(



yeah my thoughts too
 
Dec 25, 2009 at 11:48 PM Post #32 of 42
Frank I, haven't listened to red book much since getting hi-rez discs. The few times have found the Perpetual stack to be more transparent, more rhythmic, a little less warm (but not like the Sony), slightly different grain/coarseness in the highs, grayer sounding ( good transistor vs tube sound). The yamaha still has better tone color, but highs might be just a notch less refined (haven't listened in a while and the Yamaha did improve after a month or so). Of course this is $80 machine vs approx 3K of stable platter, 2 jitter reducers/upsamplers, and an outboard power supply. The silly Green Hornet digital cable ran more than the Yamaha!

The Yamaha does make a nice transport. It is very quiet. They seem to be trouble free on the different audio sites. Even with 2 jitter reducers in line the Yamaha sounds different - a little warmer than the Pioneer PD65. Actually prefer the Yamaha. Voices have a more grounded sound and there is more depth. pioneer does depth more as a semicircle. To be fair the Pioneer is 15+ years old. Thats why I started the experiment.

My new plan is to put all my redbook on computer as a giant juke box. Run the optical out of the Juli@ sound card to the GW Labs jitter reducer. Run the Yamaha digital out to the coax input of the GW Labs, and flip the switch for which I want to play. The Yamaha analog outs will take care of DVD, SACD, and even cd when I want. My lcd monitor will have inputs for computer, and video for menu navigation.

Paying to have cd players modded has always worried me because the transport can shoot craps and its over. With the Yamaha I have an $80 back up that the Allen Wright can rob if needed. Cheap insurance.

The Sony is now upstairs on my headphone rig. Which is the Nelson Pass designed Nakamichi SR4A receiver, Sen 600, and Audio Technica AT-706 electret condenser head phones (their box hooks to the Nak speaker connectors). It sounds better here because the Nak has a variable loudness control that can be fine tuned for a little more warmth.

Even if you don't like the Yamaha it can be sent back for refund or used in another system.
thanks
barondla
 
Dec 26, 2009 at 2:07 AM Post #33 of 42
I got mine yesterday and have run quite a few comparison tests using speakers and headphones. Here are some impressions.

First impressions were mixed. The packaging was so-so, the player itself feels kinda light, I was expecting a heavier machine with a more solid chassis, not quite the case, the pictures are slightly misleading in this regard. Next negative, the remote, which looks really bad, it has those white tiny raiser rubber buttons you find in cheap 5$ universal remotes, and the shape is also kinda funny and it definitely doesnt looks like something that should be packaged with a player selling for over 200$ in many places.

I liked the look of the player however, its a smart looking machine, and doesnt draw too much attention to itself and looks solid (even though its light). The rear connections are well laid out. One thing I noticed with this player is how many options there are for audio connectivity. There's multichannel analog connections, mixed stereo RCA and HDMI, optical and coax. Thats pretty much every type of connectivity you could possibly want.

It took me a while to figure out how I wanted to hook this up to my receiver but after that I powered it on. The display on the player is not very bright which might be a plus or minus depending on preferences. The tray is really nice, its smooth, quiet and very stable. The mechanism is quiet and disc spinning is quiet as well.

My first test was to do SACD comparison with CE595. I have only one song that I have on two SACD's, its "Give me a Reason" by John Lee Hooker on TELARC Sampler 1 and his own "Come into my House". I only tested the stereo layer on SACD since my receiver has only one multichannel analog input.

I have a fairly basic home theater setup.

Panasonic BX500
Infinity Primus P362 Mains and PC250 Center
Yamaha NS225F surround and surround back

My first impressions were nothing startling, I didnt find anything better or worse. I switched back and forth and couldnt really tell much of a difference. I had a feeling the Sony's treble was a bit on the harsher side, slightly grating, and sibilant in nature, and the bass weaker than the Yamaha, not quite as pronounced, lesser body and weight.

The Yamaha on the other hand felt slightly congested, and like spacing between instrument and voice was lacking a bit.

I was not convinced with this test, so I took my Ultrasone 680's to assist me with the test. This was where the difference became more apparent. The Sony to me, has a smoother quality overall in SACD, but my previous views remain the same. The Yamaha, just felt like its putting stuff together a little bit, and not giving space to breathe between instruments.

I then compared redbook using Red Hot Chilli Peppers "Blood SUgar Sex Magic" album. The results were different, I still felt Yamaha had better control over bass, but the Sony felt a bit dull, and slightly lifeless, the Yamaha OTOH a bit more lively and punchy. But IMO the DacMagic firmly beats both by a good margin offering a much more smoother, refined sound thats less fatiguing and more engaging.

The biggest selling point for me was DVD-A, since I have a handful of discs already, and no player. I can tell you one thing, if you are even considering this for DVD-A, GET IT! Its fantastic. The difference between DTS track and MLP 96/24 or even 48/24 is immediately apperent in a calibrated home theater setting. Its just fluid and detailed and tiny minor details appear out of nowhere. I havent done a SACD vs DVD-A test just yet for the same album, but for me DVD-A justifies the price in itself.

Also worth noting, that the player sends LPCM signals over HDMI for DVD-A, along with the multichannel analog outputs. I couldnt tell any difference between the two. But its good to have that flexibility if you have a receiver that takes LPCM multichannel over HDMI.

A quick note on video, upconversion works. not quite as good as the best ones I have seen before, theres a bit of noise and darker regions show some artifacts, but nothing major and its pretty good at that as well. Plays DIVX just fine (someone on some forum said it struggles with DVD-R's after 15 minutes of play, I havent had that issue so far, my DVD-R concert DVD's play just fine)

Overall I would say it is a fantastic deal if you are
A) Looking to get a DVD-A player and a good transport or
B) Just looking for a solid transport with a lot of connectivity options and want to try out SACD

But if you have Sony CE595, and have no interest in DVD-A, then its not really an "upgrade" as such, yes it has a few advantages, maybe they will flesh out some more over time, but as of now, I would say its about on par with the Sony in terms of overall redbook and SACD quality with some minor variations.
 
Dec 26, 2009 at 3:00 PM Post #34 of 42
I appreciate your input. I have the Sony999ES in my main system. I also still have the Sony 775 as a backup and I use the Marantz DV6001 which is a fantastic machine especially for the 249.00 I paid for it at Music Direct. I agree for 80.00 it would be a good spare to keep around.
 
Dec 31, 2009 at 7:31 PM Post #37 of 42
I got my DVD-s1800. It's true, the transport is silent. You can't hear it at all unless you put your ear right up to the cd deck. It's a really pretty player physically too. Haven't been able to test sacd on it yet, but it's flawless so far reding my ld dac_II. I mostly got it for it's sacd qualities plus the silent transport. I have my setup really close to my cdp and if it makes noise I can sometimes hear it of the music is soft (I use hd595s). This player alleviated this problem completely.
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Jan 4, 2010 at 9:23 PM Post #39 of 42
I've been using the CD player through crap computer speakers until I got my amp (today WOO!
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) and I could never tell it was in use. Once I put it on Audio Direct, which turns off just about every light and forgot it was on. It's super quiet.

For $80 as a transport only I can't recommend it enough.
 
Feb 7, 2010 at 9:02 PM Post #40 of 42
I picked up the Yamaha DVD-S1800 for $79.00 off of Amazon and received it yesterday. I have a Music Hall CD-25, a Denon 3910, and a Pioneer Elite 45-A. All cost me more than this little Yamaha. I think I read that the S1800 has 192 bit Burr Brown chips in the DAC. In any case, it sounds better to me than my PC when feeding a XP-7 driving my Denon AD-2000 which are modded with Lawton Audio cups.

I have also tried it with my DT-880's. Certainly a great buy for this price and I plan to pick up a couple of more for bedroom and work office. The ability to play SACD is important to me since I have a 100 or so. I have a few DVD-A and would buy more if available.
 
Feb 9, 2010 at 10:37 PM Post #42 of 42
Damn. too good to miss... what do I do... ...... ...
 

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