Unique Melody Bone Conduction Family (MEST&MEXT and their siblings) Announcement and Impression Thread.
May 12, 2021 at 8:05 PM Post #3,331 of 7,306
Z1R vs Mest MK2 (and with some MK1 and Monarch)
Source - Anedio D1 desktop DAC/amp (also tested with ifi Micro Black Label)
OK, my impressions about the Sonys are a bit strong so I met with another kind Head-fier in my area and we did some listening together with his mk1 as well. We have some differences in opinion which I'll mention, but it's not my place to say what he thought. However, I'll caution some of my impressions in that some people might disagree.

Treble
Z1R - Z1R treble is loud. Depending on how treble sensitive you are, I think some might characterize it as "extended," but I am a bit more on the treble sensitive side and to me it's loud. I found the treble unresolving and sibilant when compared to the Mest Mk2. It's like a blur of harsh treble that doesn't separate out the tones very well. Different cymbals played at the same time get mushed into a loud treble sound. I tried to tone down the treble with EQ which helped it a bit but it's still unresolving in that there's still no coherent separation. There is also sibilance. It took me awhile to find it and it's around 3-4k. The other Head-fier also found the Sonys treble to be harsher than the mk2, but he also found it to be more detailed than the mk2, so YMMV.

Monarchs - The Monarchs treble is also a bit loud for me. I had to tone down the upper-mids to treble region with EQ about 2 db.

Mk1 - The mk1 has sharper treble than the mk2 which makes it sound more expansive. However, when the mk1 and mk2 are EQ'd to my preferences, they sound almost identical.

The mk2 has toned down treble compared to the Monarchs and Z1R, but its more resolving and not sibilant. It's very airy and effortless. Cymbals and high tones are well separated.

Mids
Z1R - Mids are sunk and unresolving compared to the Mest mk2. The upper mids of the Mest mk2 is almost perfect for me in terms of volume. The Z1R mids just sound wrong. The sound signature is V shaped. Very commercial sound signature to me. The mids are not only sunk, but also blurred. Imaging/separation between tracks is inferior to the mk2. The bass also bleeds into the mids.

Monarchs - The Monarch's upper mids to me were too loud. The Monarchs upper mids are more forward than the mk2 which to me is great for the first 10 minutes or so, but after an hour, I find it unbearable. The mk2 is much better to me in this aspect.

Mk1 - The mk1 has a bit sunk mids, similar to what you hear from a Sennheiser HD800 from what I remember. Again, once I EQ'd the mk1, it sounds almost identical to the mk2.

Mk2 has very natural, accurate, and coherent midrange presentation while also being very resolving. Extremely good track separation in guitars and vocals.

Bass
Z1R - The bass is strongest attribute, but it is like you listened to a rock band live and it is the bass guitar that overwhelms the rest of the band. On the mk2, you still hear the bass guitar, but it's behind the guitars. To me, that's how a band actually sounds as I was in a rock band in college. I don't think it is accurate to have the bass guitar as the star of the show when they are normally in the back as rhythm. The subbass has great rumble and detail. However, it is not too different than if I bumped up the mk2's subbass with EQ about 3 DB.

Monarchs - The subbass is less detailed than the rest, but it had pretty great impact which made music fun to listen to. I don't remember the Monarchs enough to know if the impact is similar to the Z1Rs are not.

Mk1 - Has more emphasized subbass than the Mk2. I found mk2 and mk1 can sound very similar here with EQ as well.

Mk2 - Has great texture in the bass. Has a bit less impact than I would like. EQ remedies it somewhat with around a 3db boost.

Soundstage
Soundstage of the mk2 and z1r is pretty much identical. Both would be superior to the Monarch in this regard. Mk1 has wider soundstage, but the treble gets fatiguing. When you EQ the mk1's treble down, the soundstage is then similar to mk2. Maybe still a bit wider? I don't know. It would be nitpicking.

Imaging/Separation
In imaging/separation, the mk2 is superior to the z1r. The Z1r imaging is very good, but I'm not sure if anything could beat the mk2 here. I probably won't believe it's possible to beat the mk2 in imaging unless I personally hear something that does. The mk2 is just so resolving and tracks are so well separated without having a bass deficient tonality like an HD800. I don't know where the Monarch would stand in terms of imaging vs the Sony, but the mk2 is a bit better.

To me the Z1R is excellent for Hans Zimmer tracks. Basically music that is expansive and bassy. For everything else, pop, rock, acoustic, vocals, I prefer the mk2.

As for the mk1, I almost felt it was just a tuning difference, but I didn't get a long-term listen.

Conclusion - I really like the mk2 and I couldn't live with the tuning of the Z1R. The other Head-fier was nice enough to do a trade with me so I should have the pleasure of hearing the 64Audio U12t soon. :)
Great comparison, I can agree to most of what you said about Z1R vs MkII. I never tried the Monarch or Mk I so I can't say much about that. Z1R for the price, at least to me was a let down. I had it for a short while and didn't think it was really all that much better even back then in comparison to my Fiio FH7 so I end up selling it. Now that I got the MkII I can say the separation, imaging and the overall tonality is a clear step up from the FH7, might just be my TOTL endgame for a long time as I have no intention spending over $3K for anything from 64Audio or Empire as I think even the MKII is already breaking the upper limit for me from a ROI factor.
 
May 13, 2021 at 5:31 PM Post #3,333 of 7,306
Great comparison, I can agree to most of what you said about Z1R vs MkII. I never tried the Monarch or Mk I so I can't say much about that. Z1R for the price, at least to me was a let down. I had it for a short while and didn't think it was really all that much better even back then in comparison to my Fiio FH7 so I end up selling it. Now that I got the MkII I can say the separation, imaging and the overall tonality is a clear step up from the FH7, might just be my TOTL endgame for a long time as I have no intention spending over $3K for anything from 64Audio or Empire as I think even the MKII is already breaking the upper limit for me from a ROI factor.
Yea, I was really disappointed. I waited a long time to receive them but I will say they are definitely better built than the mk2. They look like jewelry. I also found their fit to be pretty good since my ears are so big lol

It's just crazy to me that the Chinese manufacturers are now totally killing the competition. I wonder how they manage to do that. I thought they did not have much patent protection
 
May 14, 2021 at 5:51 AM Post #3,334 of 7,306
Does anyone who owns the MEST MK 1 use any *elbow adapters* to convert to MMCX? It appears the MEST MK 1 uses a non-standard connector.

It's a raised two-pin connector that looks like QDC, but it (I think) has a reversed polarity to QDC.

I'd rather just have all my cables use standard plugs, like MMCX which has *zero chance* of having polarity and size differences. That way I have freedom to use really any kind of cable.
 
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May 14, 2021 at 12:27 PM Post #3,335 of 7,306
Does anyone who owns the MEST MK 1 use any *elbow adapters* to convert to MMCX? It appears the MEST MK 1 uses a non-standard connector.

It's a raised two-pin connector that looks like QDC, but it (I think) has a reversed polarity to QDC.

I'd rather just have all my cables use standard plugs, like MMCX which has *zero chance* of having polarity and size differences. That way I have freedom to use really any kind of cable.
Mk1 have a standard polarity,
you could use any aftermarket cable with it.
 
May 15, 2021 at 8:00 PM Post #3,338 of 7,306
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May 16, 2021 at 3:17 AM Post #3,341 of 7,306

MEST uses standard polarity.

Here's the deal with the cable polarity.

Based on the photo above, the polarity of the MEST should be thus (the positive is the same side as the back of your head):

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The MEST uses an extruded oval 0.78mm connector on the IEM that is similar to QDC, but QDC has reversed polarity (the negative is the same side as the back of your head):

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There are three types of KZ two-pin cables. Their polarity is the same as the MEST (positive same side as back of your head), but they are 0.75mm instead of 0.78mm. Paragraph A and B obviously don't provide a strong connection despite being "standard" 2-pin because their sleeves (or lack of sleeves) don't match the MEST oval connector. Paragraph C has an oval sleeve, but again, it's 0.75mm, not 0.78mm:

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I can't get good info on what polarity TFZ / NX7 is, but they have a rectangular sleeve, so it might not fit the extruded oval connector on the MEST.
 
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May 16, 2021 at 8:08 AM Post #3,342 of 7,306
I wouldn’t worry about polarity, as it really only matters that you hook up the left and right cable the same way. You can use any cable with qdc connectors with the OG MEST. Even if the standard “qdc” polarity is reversed compared to the OG MEST sockets. I’m using a cable with standard qdc connectors with mine.
 
May 16, 2021 at 7:22 PM Post #3,343 of 7,306
Can confirm no polarity issues with OG MEST. Using either standard 2 pin 64Audio or Dunu cables
 
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May 17, 2021 at 2:32 AM Post #3,345 of 7,306
A quick shameless plug, in case anyone is interested, just put the UM MEST Mk2 (with 4.4mm cable) for sale — link is here.

They remain the best sounding IEMs I have listened to this day, but upgradetitis is real... if anyone knows a cure, please let me know. 😅
I hope the new one deserves it :wink:
 

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