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I don't mean to be rude, but every single post in various threads i've seen of yours, you recommend Ultrasone over everything else, regardless of application. Do you recommend anything else besides ultrasone? lol!
For example, while i think the beyer DT880 '05s are one of the best dynamic headphones for gaming and movies/DVD's (i'm a hardcore gamer), i don't think the same for music. The Ultrasones are the best at everything, in your opinion.
I disagree with everything you have stated, except number 3, simply because they are closed they will have better isolation.
Detail... the DT880s are well known for their great detail. And are recommend solely on this attribute. They are so detailed that many think they are too analytical for music, because they bring out too many of the flaws in the recoding. While i agree that the ultrasones in general have great detail, they don't better the DT880s in the least bit.
And most of all i disagree with about is the ultrasones soundstage. I have not experienced a large soundstage on any of the ultrasone headphones that i've tried. They all have been significantly small in both depth and width. Especially their closed headphones. They don't even begin to compare to the DT880s in soundstage. I don't know if there is some ultrsone slogic magic that i have to train my ears to hear their unheard of large soundstage, but i and many other just do not hear it.
They only reason i'd recommend the ultrasone 7500, or any thing ultrasone over the DT880s for gaming, is that they will drive better without an amp. That is it. But regardless, both headphones will sound better with a good headphone amp.
But to each his own. Everybody has different opinions, and because everyone has different ears, things will sound different to them. Sometimes the difference is small, and other times it is large. The best bet for anyone is to try both headphones, and send back the one you like the least. Just make sure wherever you get them form has a good return policy.
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I wrote this before: You will notice in my posts that I have either recommended or "discussed" from a stand point of experience only 3 of the Ultrasone headphones, the 650, 750 and the 2500. (About 4 days ago, for the first time, I heard another Ultrasone headphone which was the HFI 450. I will reserve comment on that headphone because it was a new, not burned-in at all headphone and I listened to it for a short period of time. Consequently, it would not be "fair" for me to make any comment about it.) My point here is I am not, in a broad sense, recommending Ultrasone (primarily because of a lack of familiarity with the complete Ultrasone line of products) but I am recommending those Ultrasone products with which I have experience specifically in situations where I believe that product would be applicable.
You asked if I ever recommend other brands. Yes, I have. Only a few days ago, in attempting to take every criteria of a poster into account, I suggested the DT 990. Even in this post, I stated that the DT 880 is a fine sounding headphone. And, I will add that a person would do very well to own one. I am not saying anything at all against the DT 880. (Although I have read some comments by those who don't like it for one reason or another, similar to probably every other headphone "discussed" in these forums.) For the useage of the O.P., all things considered, I believe the O.P., would be better off with the Pro 750. But, then, one factor I must consider is that I am not a "gamer" and my knowledge of the requirements of a "gamer" are purely secondary, dependant on what others who claim to be "gamers" have told me.
Yes, I "lean toward" the Pro 750 because, in a general sense, it is the best sounding headphone I've ever heard. There are some that I haven't heard, though. And, no, I don't recommend it for every application. If someone, for example, is looking for a portable headphone they could use while they exercise, for that application I would not recommend the Pro 750.
I have listened to the Pro 750's for music and for movies and, without doubt, to my ears, it is the best of the headphones I've heard for those applications. Gaming, on the other hand, as previously indicated, I'm not so sure about.
Regarding detail: In my post I indicated that all three of the headphones afforded great detail but if I had to choose one over the others it would be the 750. There is a challenge here that I am going to attempt to "illustrate". Have you ever seen those "magic eye" pictures? They're the ones that when one first looks at them, they look like a grouping of odd shapes meshed together. But, if you keep looking at the picture, or some say "Look through it.", you begin to see the hidden airplane or tiger or whatever the hidden picture happens to be. In an auditory sense, this figuratively equates to the way that the Pro 750's sound stage is eventually heard by some people.
And, until one is capable of hearing the full sound stage of the Pro 750, all of the detail (and other auditory aspects) are not going to be heard. This, by the way, was not originally my opinion but rather the opinion of those who were familiar with the Ultrasone sound stage long before I first became familiar with Ultrasone.
What I am talking about here has been referred to as "brain burn in". And, from personal experience I can attest that it actually exists. I am fortunate in that, for whatever reason, I was able to hear more of the Pro 750's sound stage, initially (more or less), than some are capable of hearing. However, there have been advancements in my ability to hear even more of the Pro 750 sound stage, enabling me to hear even greater detail, scope and texture. And (I realize that what I'm about to write delves into matters of a subjective nature), until two people are capable of hearing the Pro 750 sound stage in, at least, a somewhat similar way, it would be difficult for them to make comparisons on such things as detail among other auditory aspects. When not hearing the sound stage in the same way, one person would be able to hear sounds that the other one would not be able to hear. I know this probably sounds unbelievable to you.
You said (in essence) that you and "many others" do not hear the "full" Pro 750 sound stage. In response, I will state that there are also many others who do hear it. Indeed, there is a huge Ultrasone thread (in these forums) "occupied" by those who truly enjoy the Ultrasone sound stage.
I definitely agree with you on two points:
1. Different people have different hearing perceptions;
2. The O.P. would be extremely well advised to hear these headphones for him or her self and make a decision based on his or her individual hearing perception.
. i'd rather have the ability to pinpoint people that are close to me rather then farther away.
