[PinkFloyd]

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Originally Posted by Spankypoo Floyd - what's got you all hot to get into political/nationalistic topics like this? Two in two days would scream of trolling, if we didn't know ya' better!

It's not a political or a nationalistic topic Spankypoo It's just a question that I thought would bring about some interesting (and funny) replies which it has

The thought of a battle between the UK and USA is pretty far fetched but it if ever did occur could the might of the US forces overcome the cunning, experienced UK forces and the will of the British people? V2 buzz bombs totally destroyed the major UK cities in WW2 but they didn't manage to break the spirit of the Brits and we went on to win that particular war so sheer "firepower" alone means nothing... Brits very seldom put the white flag up and they will fight to the last man.

I honestly think the USA couldn't take control of the UK, not in a million years, sure they could flatten the cities to the ground if the bombs managed to make it past the RAF fighter pilots and surface to air missile defence systems but there is no way they would just march in and take control without a very messy fight.

It may be a daft question I posed but it's an interesting one IMO

 

[PinkFloyd]

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Originally Posted by KYTGuy Your soccer players vs US, NO CONTEST - UK wins...

In the UK we refer to them as "football players"

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Originally Posted by KYTGuy Your soccer fans vs US, again, your fans would stomp the pee out of US.

Our "football supporting thugs" are easily repelled by water cannon so don't consider them much of a force, deprive them access to beer and pies and they turn into timid accountants.

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Originally Posted by KYTGuy Your Cornish Pasty vs our hamburger...TIE

Isn't the Hamburger a German invention?

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Originally Posted by KYTGuy Your Lotus versus our Corvette....depends on the road - TIE

And the driver

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Originally Posted by KYTGuy Your stereo gear versus ours...US wins

Disagree, I'd concede a tie.

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Originally Posted by KYTGuy Your museums versus ours, You win, just barely

Totally disagree we have the finest museums in the world packed full of artefacts we stole from other cultures hundreds of years before the USA became a culture.

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Originally Posted by KYTGuy Housing US

Very cheap house prices in the US agreed.

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Originally Posted by KYTGuy Beauty of the land TIE

TIE

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Originally Posted by KYTGuy Roads US

TIE

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Originally Posted by KYTGuy Pubs vs roadhouses in beer, UK

Agreed

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Originally Posted by KYTGuy Pubs vs roadhouses in food, size,number US

Agreed, service... quality and prices in the UK are all bad.

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Originally Posted by KYTGuy Medecine US

If you can afford it. It's free in the UK thanks to the National Health Service and the treatment is identical to the treatment in the US but free. Great for emergency treatment but quite long waiting lists for specialised treatment such as hip operations etc.

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Originally Posted by KYTGuy Your rock stars versus ours - you win

They did but there's not a lot of new blood coming through these days, the UK music industry is dead on its feet thanks to all these manufactured pop idol contests..... The UK invasion is a thing of the past, the real talent isn't being allowed into the limelight

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Originally Posted by KYTGuy Humor - a definate win for you when we understand

It's "humour" and "definite" you may understand our humour if you learn to understand our spelling

 

[Bunnyears]

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Originally Posted by aerius I believe there's a chance someone might launch a nuke against the US, not that much of a chance but it exists. I feel much better knowing that a system, however imperfect is being put in place to defend against that possibility, as the alternative is to simply hope it never happens. Kinda like putting high security locks on the doors of your home. Chances are you'll never need them, and chances are a really determined burglar will still break through them, but they do give you more time & options.

No, it's more like putting a quikset lock on a cardboard door. Looks good, but you don't even need to pick the lock to get through.
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Nuclear winter has been pretty much discredited. The explosive power of all the nukes in the world put together don't even add up to the power of the Mt. Pinatubo volcanic eruption in 1991, and that only resulted in a 1-2 degree drop in worldwide temperature. The reports which led to the nuclear winter myth were based on atmospheric models which were far too simplistic as well as being flawed. Research done since the mid-late 80's have shown that it would be more of a nuclear autumn than winter.

You are the one who said hypothetical. If your hypothetical is valid, so is nuclear winter!

 

[PinkFloyd]

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Originally Posted by Tuberoller Uh,I think not. Most of my Brit conterparts are very good at policing and keeping the peace but in a firefight I'd take an Isreali Army regular any day of the week. Of course,that's kinda obvious when you consider that 99% of the UK military has never seen any combat and most have not fired a weapon since being trained to do so. UK forces don't place a high priority on combat training and it shows. The UK is also fond of really terrible gear like those nasty looking Challanger tanks that expose the crew to small arms fire. I saw two of those junks brought to a screeching halt by a woman with a RPG. If our sniper did'nt shoot her there would have been two dead Brit tank crews. The minimi LMG is also a terrible weapon. The scope mounts were designed for the M-16 and have never worked right. Most Brit soldiers dump the scopes and fire using the irons. We won't even go there about all the "S-Class" armored vehicles. They all suck. The Brits do have some great gear in the sniper rifles and most Brit snipers are really great shots but almost none of them has ever seen any action. By sharp contrast,it's almost impossible to find an American who has not seen action. Most of the current crop of MARINE CORPS Scout Snipers have racked up insane body counts over the years. The biggest problem Brits would have beating the US would be in the operational tactics. A US MARINE CORPS Corporal can call for air /artillery support without hesitation and can make tactical decisions right on field. Brit troops have a really strange chain of command that does not allow such tactical and operational moves to made by a "grunt". I hear the tactical policy has changed in the last few years and LT's can get "regional support" and call in artilery. I'm not saying one bit that The Brits are chumps or they would roll over but this ain't a fair fight either. I think some people think that the Iraq war and our troubles there are a real indication of our Military strength and that's just not the case. I will readily admit that I think British have much,much better pilots. We got more planes and ours are better but Brit pilots are the best,by a huge margin(except for A-10 pilots ). I hope I have'nt insulted anyone and please understand that my opinions here are just that. I base them on my experiences and they my have little to do with fact. What I say here is only what I've seen with my own eyes.

"Friendly fire" is the major disadvantage of the "grunt" method of command and control US commanders use. We try to be more selective and precise with our techniques to avoid civilian / allied casualties, it may not be as "rapid" as the US technique but it's a darned sight more precise and prevents unnecessary casualties.

 

[Duncan]

The only thing that the UK can win on against the USA - hands down... is extortionate prices...

The USA get their goods at the equivilant of 50% of UK prices... fine if that is for USA originating products.. but, sometimes - that is for UK products too...

...Insane...

 

[Tuberoller]

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Originally Posted by PinkFloyd "Friendly fire" is the major disadvantage of the "grunt" method of command and control US commanders use. We try to be more selective and precise with our techniques to avoid civilian / allied casualties, it may not be as "rapid" as the US technique but it's a darned sight more precise and prevents unnecessary casualties.

Nah, these incidents are very rare and the only reason you ever hear about them is because they are so rare.

While I do think the UK would be badly beaten in a straight fight of any type,if we flip things and make UK the agressor,things look far more bleak. Let's say that UK attacks our major Euro bases and naval installations without warning. Loss of life would be massive and it would take us days to react if these bases were destroyed. We could retaliate effectively but lets' again say that the UK was smart enough to move against bases in Asia at the same time(this is an almost impossible scenario),it would again take days to react. I still think we would prevail if we were attacked first without warning but we would take a nasty beating first.

Now if Germany and the UK allied to take us on,we would likely get our asses kicked over there. They would'nt have much chance outside Europe or attempting to fly or sail over the seas but they could drive us out of Europe with combined forces. I think in matter of weeks neither Germany or the UK could get a plane off the ground or a ship on the water without it being destroyed but they could hold the land without much trouble.

Again,this is for entertainment purposes only and I know that the UK is our strongest ally and closest friend in the world.

 

[PinkFloyd]

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Originally Posted by Duncan The only thing that the UK can win on against the USA - hands down... is extortionate prices... The USA get their goods at the equivilant of 50% of UK prices... fine if that is for USA originating products.. but, sometimes - that is for UK products too... ...Insane...

Sure..... we can get better parts (plenty of them) in the UK though, the US DIYer is limited........... in the UK we have access to millions of obscure bits and bobs the US can't get hold of......... UK rocks when it comes to components / sundries

 

[lini]

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Originally Posted by Tuberoller Again,this is for entertainment purposes only and I know that the UK is our strongest ally and closest friend in the world. Germany on the other hand........

I don't feel entertained by that last remark, Fred. Not a bit.

Greetings from Hannover!

Manfred / lini

 

[Genetic]

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Originally Posted by lini I don't feel entertained by that last remark, Fred. Not a bit.

It's a joke....everyone knows that the US have no friends....

Amicalement

 

[Nak Man]

Pinkie ... LOL.

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Originally Posted by PinkFloyd Isn't the Hamburger a German invention?

Headphonewise Germany will wipe both your countries out of earth.

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Originally Posted by PinkFloyd Quote: Your stereo gear versus ours...US wins Disagree, I'd concede a tie.

This battlefield needs to be further broken down:

Turntables .. UK
CDPs ... UK
Portables ... mmm ... Japanese
Amps, Integrated ... UK
Amps, Power ... US
Speakers ... US
Speakers, Restricted LF ... UK
Phones ... see above
Cables ... US ...

 

[Nak Man]

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Originally Posted by fyrfytrhoges offense intended......

Hm, you know this means WAR, right ?!

 

[PinkFloyd]

I checked to see the origin of the Hamburger and it appears it is a German invention:

"The origin of hamburger is unknown, but the hamburger patty and sandwich were probably brought by 19th-century German immigrants to the United States, where in a matter of decades it came to be considered an archetypal American food." The trademark for the name "cheeseburger" was awarded in 1935 to Louis Ballast of the Humpty Dumpty Drive-In, in Denver, Colorado."

The history of the Hot Dog is very interesting too

 

[Edwood]

How about USA vs. Canada?

Of course we would lose Napoleon style. Too cold.....and we would probably goto war with Mexico at the same time.

LOL, This is a pretty entertaining thread that hasn't gone outside. Keep it up!

-Ed

 

[Tuberoller]

Hey guys,this was generally good natured and I'm sorry some of us have to use this thread to forward some type of personal agenda. Outside is closed down now so the political stuff needs to take a break until outside returns. The insults will end now or some members will be taking a break as well. I promise, anyone I ban will be taking a very long break.

 

[PinkFloyd]

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Originally Posted by Edwood How about USA vs. Canada?

Ed now that would "really" be a one sided battle and you know the Mounties could take on the USA single handedly.... UK V USA is one thing but Canada V US.... are you serious? Never underestimate the power of men on horseback

Forward Ho!