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Yes the icarus supplied cable is 3.5 mm.
TRINITY - PHANTOM/SAGARIS SERIES - Newer Thread (JUST IMPRESSIONS ETC - DO NOT POST ABOUT ORDER STATUS - COMPLAINING - ETC.)
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wiizoll
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It is necessary to prepare a conversion cable, but balance output is a good sound. It is regrettable that the standard cable is not 2.5 mm.
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I were in a local AV store today and the guy just stumbled something about 2.5 is too small to solder... I will have to look somewhere else as I could not find a short (6 inch) cable 2.5mm to 3.5mm trrs online 
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The 2.5mm is really useless to me. Not enough surface area to make contact. This is the basshead in me . 3.5 mm is also sturdier.
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Ok, so I’m not a reviewer and I don’t post impressions on my IEMs; partly as I wouldn’t want people to base their purchasing decisions on my potentially poor judgment but mostly as I have a history of ENT problems since birth and believe my hearing is damaged as a result, I simply don’t trust it to match the majorities.
I did however want to post something up to give those still waiting for the PM6 some hope that if they hold out, they will get a good product as in my short time with them – I do believe they are a good IEM and well worth the pre-order price, I’m not sure about full retail as I have nothing to compare to in that bracket but they are a definite step up from both the atlas and the PM4.
PM6 with cable by sososerious on Head-Fi.org
The package and product quality appears great, no gaps in the shells, all filters appear to thread on ok, no missing items, decent accessory package, etc. The cables are standard 2-pin but the shells do have a small protrusion to ensure polarity is correct, this may present an issue with aftermarket cables and could be easily filed out or maybe the better option which I will be doing, file a grove in your aftermarket 2-pin cables connectors.
PM6 cable notch by sososerious on Head-Fi.org
I’ll be honest, the fit for me is a bit odd. They are undoubtedly the biggest IEM I own or have made! Once in they feel very comfortable, not too heavy and in a standing or sitting position they are fine – but don’t try and lie down with these in! they protrude far outside my ear even with a deep insertion and small tips.
I’m using my go-to tips, double flange wide bore tips with the foam from TA hybrid tips beneath the top flange. These provide a perfect fit and seal with a deep insertion in my ear canal, I get no drop in isolation when moving my jaw which is my normal test for confirming tip and fit before listening critically.
PM6 - Front and filter angle by sososerious on Head-Fi.org
PM6 - Front by sososerious on Head-Fi.org
Overall, In my very limited time with them I am happy with the sound quality and they easily best my other IEMs from Trinity, my growing collection of cheap Chinese IEMs, my earbuds that include the Monk and Monk+ and Yuin Pk1 (although it is hard to compare these due to the isolation) and my own homemade IEMs that range from single BA to Quad BA and some Frankenstein re-shells (none custom, just using cheap shells from ali-express).
As I don’t fully trust my objectiveness using my suite of test tracks I’m going to use audiocheck.net’s test suite to make some comments on performance, I’m using the DAC function on the Fiio x3 II out of my laptop and the Blue filters which are said to be the most balanced across the range with no elevated frequencies (however I prefer the gold at this point, I’ve not worked through them all yet).
First test, Frequency response:
Bass Extension: Test runs from 10 Hz and I can hear something from 10, but not clearly until it hits 20 Hz.
Treble Response: Test runs down from 22 kHz, first hear something from 18 kHz but not clearly until it hits 17 kHz.
This is where i am most concerned my results may not be accurate so take these figures with a healthy pinch of salt.
Second test, Spectral flatness:
I’m not sure I trust the results of this but going by the testing notes I should hear a flat tone level all the way through (as they build in a human sensitivity curve on the test tone) but everything below 50 – 100 Hz is much lower in volume to me, this indicates slightly recessed bass I believe?
Dynamic Range:
This is a test surrounding isolation and I got a figure 60 - 66 dB below full scale, this ‘full scale’ datum is set as a noise just below uncomfortable for ‘my’ hearing so will differ between everyone.
Quality:
This tests for rattles and poor build; I didn’t notice any of the sounds that are described as indicative of poorly built headphones – even at very high (almost uncomfortable) volume levels.
Driver Matching:
This test sweep plays the same tone at exactly the same level to each earpiece, if the tone moves from centre then the drivers may not be matched. I did hear some movement on the tone to the right channel but it was not consistent, i.e. some frequencies were balanced but certainly when moving into the upper kHz ranges the move was more pronounced. This may be my hearing or it may be that not all 6 drivers per ear piece are perfectly matched, it is not enough (at this point) for me to be concerned about to be honest.
Wiring tests:
Left and Right test: Polarity is correct and there is very little cross-talk. I have to turn the volume up to painful levels to hear anything on the left channel when playing the Right channel tone for example.
The centre and twisted test tones appear as described, the centre tone plays between my ears. The twisted tone it says should be harder to locate and ‘twisting in your head’, I’m not sure I understand the description here as it doesn’t ‘twist’ so to speak but it is harder to locate to a single spot in my head and less defined than the centre tone.
Binaural Test:
Yup, this gets me every time. Very easy to place the sound and it’s very realistic, I have actually listened to a couple of tracks on the Luna Negra album “up close” as I love binaural recordings and these have the best staging and depth of any of my IEMs; I would say my Sen-Grado headphones might be better but they are fully open and built solely for that purpose.
Personal test tracks:
To get a feel for tracks I like to listen to these are tracks I know so well they suit me for testing purposes, word of warning these a bit a genre mash up here but biased to acoustic tracks:
DJ Okawari – Peacock
DJ Okawari – A cup of Coffee
DJ Okawari – Flower Dance
Katastro – Watch it Burn
Maverick Sabre – I Need (Acoustic Sessions – Bands in transit)
Ane Brun – Headphone Silence
Pearl Jam – Soon Forget (Binaural Album version)
Jamie Macdowell – Feet to Floor
Sebastian Wijk – Heart Shaped Box
Justin Nozuka – Save Him
Daft Punk – Giorgio by Moroder
Paramore – Misguided Ghosts
Ron Pope – A Drop In The Ocean
Mableton – Happy Minutes
Mableton – Play & Chill
Slightly Stoopid - Wiseman
PM6 and Filters by sososerious on Head-Fi.org
PM6 Overview by sososerious on Head-Fi.org
I did however want to post something up to give those still waiting for the PM6 some hope that if they hold out, they will get a good product as in my short time with them – I do believe they are a good IEM and well worth the pre-order price, I’m not sure about full retail as I have nothing to compare to in that bracket but they are a definite step up from both the atlas and the PM4.
PM6 with cable by sososerious on Head-Fi.org
The package and product quality appears great, no gaps in the shells, all filters appear to thread on ok, no missing items, decent accessory package, etc. The cables are standard 2-pin but the shells do have a small protrusion to ensure polarity is correct, this may present an issue with aftermarket cables and could be easily filed out or maybe the better option which I will be doing, file a grove in your aftermarket 2-pin cables connectors.
PM6 cable notch by sososerious on Head-Fi.org
I’ll be honest, the fit for me is a bit odd. They are undoubtedly the biggest IEM I own or have made! Once in they feel very comfortable, not too heavy and in a standing or sitting position they are fine – but don’t try and lie down with these in! they protrude far outside my ear even with a deep insertion and small tips.
I’m using my go-to tips, double flange wide bore tips with the foam from TA hybrid tips beneath the top flange. These provide a perfect fit and seal with a deep insertion in my ear canal, I get no drop in isolation when moving my jaw which is my normal test for confirming tip and fit before listening critically.
PM6 - Front and filter angle by sososerious on Head-Fi.org
PM6 - Front by sososerious on Head-Fi.org
Overall, In my very limited time with them I am happy with the sound quality and they easily best my other IEMs from Trinity, my growing collection of cheap Chinese IEMs, my earbuds that include the Monk and Monk+ and Yuin Pk1 (although it is hard to compare these due to the isolation) and my own homemade IEMs that range from single BA to Quad BA and some Frankenstein re-shells (none custom, just using cheap shells from ali-express).
As I don’t fully trust my objectiveness using my suite of test tracks I’m going to use audiocheck.net’s test suite to make some comments on performance, I’m using the DAC function on the Fiio x3 II out of my laptop and the Blue filters which are said to be the most balanced across the range with no elevated frequencies (however I prefer the gold at this point, I’ve not worked through them all yet).
First test, Frequency response:
Bass Extension: Test runs from 10 Hz and I can hear something from 10, but not clearly until it hits 20 Hz.
Treble Response: Test runs down from 22 kHz, first hear something from 18 kHz but not clearly until it hits 17 kHz.
This is where i am most concerned my results may not be accurate so take these figures with a healthy pinch of salt.
Second test, Spectral flatness:
I’m not sure I trust the results of this but going by the testing notes I should hear a flat tone level all the way through (as they build in a human sensitivity curve on the test tone) but everything below 50 – 100 Hz is much lower in volume to me, this indicates slightly recessed bass I believe?
Dynamic Range:
This is a test surrounding isolation and I got a figure 60 - 66 dB below full scale, this ‘full scale’ datum is set as a noise just below uncomfortable for ‘my’ hearing so will differ between everyone.
Quality:
This tests for rattles and poor build; I didn’t notice any of the sounds that are described as indicative of poorly built headphones – even at very high (almost uncomfortable) volume levels.
Driver Matching:
This test sweep plays the same tone at exactly the same level to each earpiece, if the tone moves from centre then the drivers may not be matched. I did hear some movement on the tone to the right channel but it was not consistent, i.e. some frequencies were balanced but certainly when moving into the upper kHz ranges the move was more pronounced. This may be my hearing or it may be that not all 6 drivers per ear piece are perfectly matched, it is not enough (at this point) for me to be concerned about to be honest.
Wiring tests:
Left and Right test: Polarity is correct and there is very little cross-talk. I have to turn the volume up to painful levels to hear anything on the left channel when playing the Right channel tone for example.
The centre and twisted test tones appear as described, the centre tone plays between my ears. The twisted tone it says should be harder to locate and ‘twisting in your head’, I’m not sure I understand the description here as it doesn’t ‘twist’ so to speak but it is harder to locate to a single spot in my head and less defined than the centre tone.
Binaural Test:
Yup, this gets me every time. Very easy to place the sound and it’s very realistic, I have actually listened to a couple of tracks on the Luna Negra album “up close” as I love binaural recordings and these have the best staging and depth of any of my IEMs; I would say my Sen-Grado headphones might be better but they are fully open and built solely for that purpose.
Personal test tracks:
To get a feel for tracks I like to listen to these are tracks I know so well they suit me for testing purposes, word of warning these a bit a genre mash up here but biased to acoustic tracks:
DJ Okawari – Peacock
DJ Okawari – A cup of Coffee
DJ Okawari – Flower Dance
Katastro – Watch it Burn
Maverick Sabre – I Need (Acoustic Sessions – Bands in transit)
Ane Brun – Headphone Silence
Pearl Jam – Soon Forget (Binaural Album version)
Jamie Macdowell – Feet to Floor
Sebastian Wijk – Heart Shaped Box
Justin Nozuka – Save Him
Daft Punk – Giorgio by Moroder
Paramore – Misguided Ghosts
Ron Pope – A Drop In The Ocean
Mableton – Happy Minutes
Mableton – Play & Chill
Slightly Stoopid - Wiseman
PM6 and Filters by sososerious on Head-Fi.org
PM6 Overview by sososerious on Head-Fi.org
Stenso
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Thank you for your review, I also worry about influencing others, but you were very good in talking about what you hear and that is much appreciated. Great photo's too, if you get the chance, please add any further thoughts and observations.
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I have also preordered the earstudio and the configuration of the trrs is:
"It’s R- / R+ / L+ / L-, starting from the tip of the jack."
While confirmed with Kieran that the 2.5mm 2-pin trrs cable is:
"The configuration is L+ R+ L- R-, starting from the tip."
Do i need another cable to connect between TA iem to the ear studio?
"It’s R- / R+ / L+ / L-, starting from the tip of the jack."
While confirmed with Kieran that the 2.5mm 2-pin trrs cable is:
"The configuration is L+ R+ L- R-, starting from the tip."
Do i need another cable to connect between TA iem to the ear studio?
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A while ago i remember asking if i can use different cables with my Phantom Master 4 since trinity is unable to manufacture a decent cable that will stay on the damn earpiece without falling off or disconnecting (this is after i went through the 3 cables that came with the IEM and another set i got sent from Trinity started showing the same issues.
I got told by the community that they were proprietary cables and that i shouldnt try other cables, Now i understand that the actual company tells you "only use our cables" since of the warranty issues and liability if you use a low quality cable,
But the community parroting the same response... That truly hurts, I had my phantom masters 4 in a box trying home remedies like bending inwards or flattening a bit the pins on the cables.
I was playing around with the Phantom Masters i got to replace them seeing which filter works best and out of curiosity i pulled the cable off my cheapo KZ-ZS5´s and plugged them in to my Phantom Master 4´s... and guess what ? im listening to them now.
F you, simply F you. F Trinity for not being able to make a decent cablem, F you people for parroting bull proprietary cable bull from trinity, and F me for thinking this was a communty.
I got told by the community that they were proprietary cables and that i shouldnt try other cables, Now i understand that the actual company tells you "only use our cables" since of the warranty issues and liability if you use a low quality cable,
But the community parroting the same response... That truly hurts, I had my phantom masters 4 in a box trying home remedies like bending inwards or flattening a bit the pins on the cables.
I was playing around with the Phantom Masters i got to replace them seeing which filter works best and out of curiosity i pulled the cable off my cheapo KZ-ZS5´s and plugged them in to my Phantom Master 4´s... and guess what ? im listening to them now.
F you, simply F you. F Trinity for not being able to make a decent cablem, F you people for parroting bull proprietary cable bull from trinity, and F me for thinking this was a communty.
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I've said many times you can use standard 2 pin cables they just look funny, you can even use the different sized pins (.78 Vs .75) but people warned against it as it stretches the sockets.
A couple of people have mentioned this since the PM4 released?
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LOL it's ok everyone, the community being referred to is actually just me! Looked at my post history as this rang a bell.
I recommended against it, but told you it was possible. Don't you think the F'ing might be a bit out of proportion?
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Just needed to vent, The phantom Masters 4 are ok, but the Phantom Masters i got to suplement the fact i couldnt use the PM4 (with a deep discount) annoy the hell out of me thanks to the fact that my KZ-ZS5 almost as good out of my sony A35...
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But how is that our fault? I don't appreciate being sworn at especially when we (the ones you told to F off) tried to help you.
Maybe count to 10 before hitting 'post reply' next time? I have to do the same myself a lot more that I should around here now.
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TA is sending new unit(s), hope more will get them and post their reviews.
Anyone would share some comparison between pm6 and hunter?
Anyone would share some comparison between pm6 and hunter?
hernandoco
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I think it's because you were being too serious.
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