Tidal Masters & MQA Thread!

Sep 24, 2021 at 10:56 AM Post #1,366 of 1,854
This is a really great point. It’s detrimental to the communities as a whole. The opinions of anti-MQA are well documented and valid. But seeing them ad nauseum is exhausting. Headphones are a hobby of joy and passion for me. No topic has been more toxic than MQA on headphones.com, headfi, audiogon and Roon communities. Until this video happened and the research, these forums were quieter and while I agree with the research, I’m not sure we are better off as a community after it.
It will not stop until MQA changes its crony ways or is buried in the ground. You have to understand that the vitriol towards MQA has more to do with their restrictions rather than the sound quality. No one would have a problem if they were not forcing themselves down our throats. It is indeed infuriating when Tidal drops Hi-Res versions in favor of MQA. In any case, it is a good thing that there is stiff competition and none of the other giant streaming services seem to be clamoring for MQA. And I don't believe this will change considering the advent of 5G upon us. I have been using Amazon Music HD with my Prime membership and it has all the titles I had on Tidal and more.
 
Sep 24, 2021 at 10:58 AM Post #1,367 of 1,854
It will not stop until MQA changes its crony ways or is buried in the ground. You have to understand that the vitriol towards MQA has more to do with their restrictions rather than the sound quality. No one would have a problem if they were not forcing themselves down our throats. It is indeed infuriating when Tidal drops Hi-Res versions in favor of MQA. In any case, it is a good thing that there is stiff competition and none of the other giant streaming services seem to be clamoring for MQA. And I don't believe this will change considering the advent of 5G upon us. I have been using Amazon Music HD with my Prime membership and it has all the titles I had on Tidal and more.
They are not forcing themselves down your throat. You have other options besides Tidal, besides MQA. They are probably less than 1 percent of music listening and market.

I do wish Tidal would lower prices so I can ditch apple and go back to Tidal.
 
Sep 24, 2021 at 11:02 AM Post #1,368 of 1,854
They are not forcing themselves down your throat. You have other options besides Tidal, besides MQA. They are probably less than 1 percent of music listening and market.

I do wish Tidal would lower prices so I can ditch apple and go back to Tidal.
They are doing exactly that when Tidal finds it necessary to ditch original versions in favor of MQA. And when "properly" implemented MQA dacs have to channel every format through MQA filters. I used to be a happy Tidal customer, and I wish I could continue to be, but not when Tidal is fornicating with MQA.
It would be great if Tidal lowered prices, but then they would go out of business. I generally like the customer-centric approach of Amazon, so I say long-live Amazon!
 
Sep 24, 2021 at 11:07 AM Post #1,369 of 1,854
It will not stop until MQA changes its crony ways or is buried in the ground. You have to understand that the vitriol towards MQA has more to do with their restrictions rather than the sound quality. No one would have a problem if they were not forcing themselves down our throats. It is indeed infuriating when Tidal drops Hi-Res versions in favor of MQA. In any case, it is a good thing that there is stiff competition and none of the other giant streaming services seem to be clamoring for MQA. And I don't believe this will change considering the advent of 5G upon us. I have been using Amazon Music HD with my Prime membership and it has all the titles I had on Tidal and more.

MQA files play like normal FLAC if you don't have a MQA device.

Have you found that playing MQA as normal FLAC does something bad to the sound quality of that FLAC?

Basically, if you don't have a MQA device, they're just FLAC files.
 
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Sep 24, 2021 at 11:16 AM Post #1,370 of 1,854
MQA files play like normal FLAC if you don't have a MQA device.

Have you found that playing MQA as normal FLAC does something bad to the sound quality of that FLAC?
That is not true! And it is easily provable. The artifacts/distortions which some people find pleasing are frustrating to me and they are audible too. MQA also completely changes the "inaudible"/ultrasonic band of the music. You may not hear this part of the music, but you certainly can feel it.
Regardless, this is the subjective aspect of the argument when done by ear.
The most disagreeable aspect to most people is the centralization and propriety of MQA or what I call the thievery of MQA. Not delivering on promises or providing evidence thereof, but expecting to get paid nonetheless.
 
Sep 24, 2021 at 11:31 AM Post #1,371 of 1,854
They are doing exactly that when Tidal finds it necessary to ditch original versions in favor of MQA. And when "properly" implemented MQA dacs have to channel every format through MQA filters. I used to be a happy Tidal customer, and I wish I could continue to be, but not when Tidal is fornicating with MQA.
It would be great if Tidal lowered prices, but then they would go out of business. I generally like the customer-centric approach of Amazon, so I say long-live Amazon!
Then leave Tidal and buy non-mqa gear. Be happy and save your rage for important things.
 
Sep 24, 2021 at 11:53 AM Post #1,372 of 1,854
Then leave Tidal and buy non-mqa gear. Be happy and save your rage for important things.

Which is exactly what I did. And just because this is not important to you does not mean it is not important to me or others. If my disapproval of MQA contributes to the localization or complete remission of this MQA cancer, then I will take on my oncologist role and play my part.
 
Sep 24, 2021 at 1:58 PM Post #1,373 of 1,854
Which is exactly what I did. And just because this is not important to you does not mean it is not important to me or others. If my disapproval of MQA contributes to the localization or complete remission of this MQA cancer, then I will take on my oncologist role and play my part.
Why is it that you feel your opinion is so important that you want to drown out the opinions of others who are trying to go about their life and enjoy things?
 
Sep 24, 2021 at 10:43 PM Post #1,374 of 1,854
Which is exactly what I did. And just because this is not important to you does not mean it is not important to me or others. If my disapproval of MQA contributes to the localization or complete remission of this MQA cancer, then I will take on my oncologist role and play my part.
What you are missing is that, well, while everyone will recognize your right to free speech, do you recognize that, to put it simply - we have had enough already.

Your posting here will do nothing to change Tidal’s or MQA’s ways…. Please launch a letter writing campaign towards them. Continuing to annoy consumers may actually backfire on your cause. (And, as causes go, this is not a particularly socially relevant one.)

Edit: I went back and reread what you wrote…. “If my disapproval of MQA contributes to the localization or complete remission of this MQA cancer, then I will take on my oncologist role and play my part.” Wow. Seriously. I won’t write what I really want to write because, well, there is no need as you have made my point quite well on your own…
 
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Sep 24, 2021 at 11:29 PM Post #1,375 of 1,854
Why is it that you feel your opinion is so important that you want to drown out the opinions of others who are trying to go about their life and enjoy things?

His opinion is as important as anyone else's including yours. I agree with you, I think people should try to go about their life and enjoy things. Tidal and MQA are not helping me to achieve those goals so I have ditched both of them.

Don't get me wrong, MQA could be a blessing if you have laggy internet and buffering issues.
 
Sep 24, 2021 at 11:33 PM Post #1,376 of 1,854
His opinion is as important as anyone else's including yours. I agree with you, I think people should try to go about their life and enjoy things. Tidal and MQA are not helping me to achieve those goals so I have ditched both of them.

Don't get me wrong, MQA could be a blessing if you have laggy internet and buffering issues.
Speaking for myself only…. There is what people say. And there is how they say it. Moshe, I’m sorry, appears to me to have gone off the rails…
 
Sep 24, 2021 at 11:41 PM Post #1,377 of 1,854
Why is it that you feel your opinion is so important that you want to drown out the opinions of others who are trying to go about their life and enjoy things?
Drown out? You can't be serious, I literally have no control over this thread, how am I drowning out your opinions? If you like MQA, good for you, but as long as MQA has an interest in encroaching on things I like (i.e Tidal), then I will pursue my opinions with passion. If you don't like it, you can ignore it.
 
Sep 25, 2021 at 12:30 AM Post #1,379 of 1,854
Drown out? You can't be serious, I literally have no control over this thread, how am I drowning out your opinions? If you like MQA, good for you, but as long as MQA has an interest in encroaching on things I like (i.e Tidal), then I will pursue my opinions with passion. If you don't like it, you can ignore it.
Of the last posts on this thread, you’re the single largest poster and it’s just constant negativity. We know your opinion. Can you write a letter to tidal? Can we move on?
 

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