Thoughts on a bunch of DACs (and why delta-sigma kinda sucks, just to get you to think about stuff)
post-11488379
Post #3,796 of 6,423

Yoga

1000+ Head-Fier
Joined
May 11, 2011
Messages
1,424
Reaction score
259
Joined
May 11, 2011
Posts
1,424
Likes
259
  If computers are such a temperamental source, maybe a portable dap would be better?  Processing the music is the only thing it does.

This is why I'm now testing the SoTM sMS-100, powered by a regulated linear PSU.
 
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/585-sotm-sms-100-mini-server-review/
 
Early indications are no different, but I need an extended critical listening session to verify.
 
     Share This Post       
post-11488534
Post #3,797 of 6,423

estreeter

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Jun 10, 2009
Messages
8,326
Reaction score
470
Joined
Jun 10, 2009
Posts
8,326
Likes
470
  If computers are such a temperamental source, maybe a portable dap would be better?  Processing the music is the only thing it does.
 
The guys over at Computer Audiophile seem to have tried every solution under the sun and the only consensus I've seen is that ethernet trumps USB but my own experiments with DLNA were dismal failures - the control point software continually lost the plot and I gave up. Companies like Linn and Naim have reportedly sorted those issues but the price of their solutions is eye-watering. 
 
     Share This Post       
post-11488805
Post #3,798 of 6,423

SoupRKnowva

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Aug 4, 2007
Messages
4,659
Reaction score
118
Location
Seattle, WA
Joined
Aug 4, 2007
Location
Seattle, WA
Posts
4,659
Likes
118
Website
www.asyncbit.com
  Check to see if your computer is generating page faults / using the swap file. This happens when the RAM is full and drive space for additional storage and access is needed. This could have some kind of negative effect in the chain, if the drive is magnetic.
 
Easy to find on a Mac by loading up Activity Monitor, clicking the Memory tab and viewing the bottom left item: Swap Used. It should read 0 byes.
 
If only windows were so well behaved, it uses the page file all the time even when it you have loads of ram sitting empty....piece of garbage OS
 
     Share This Post       
post-11488806
Post #3,799 of 6,423

Yoga

1000+ Head-Fier
Joined
May 11, 2011
Messages
1,424
Reaction score
259
Joined
May 11, 2011
Posts
1,424
Likes
259
   
The guys over at Computer Audiophile seem to have tried every solution under the sun and the only consensus I've seen is that ethernet trumps USB but my own experiments with DLNA were dismal failures - the control point software continually lost the plot and I gave up. Companies like Linn and Naim have reportedly sorted those issues but the price of their solutions is eye-watering. 

The SMS100 worked flawlessly - both Airplay (Tidal) and JRiver (MDP / DLNA) within minutes of install. Very impressive in terms of ease of use.
 
The only thing I couldn't get working with it was HQPlayer, although I spent no time attempting to fix that since it doesn't support m4a, which a lot of my older redbook stuff is encoded with.
 
     Share This Post       
post-11488808
Post #3,800 of 6,423

Yoga

1000+ Head-Fier
Joined
May 11, 2011
Messages
1,424
Reaction score
259
Joined
May 11, 2011
Posts
1,424
Likes
259
   
If only windows were so well behaved, it uses the page file all the time even when it you have loads of ram sitting empty....piece of garbage OS

Indeed. Why anyone would use Windows for a music server is beyond me. It's quite literally the worst choice.
 
     Share This Post       
post-11488875
Post #3,801 of 6,423

jsgraha

100+ Head-Fier
Joined
Apr 18, 2012
Messages
252
Reaction score
34
Location
Melbourne
Joined
Apr 18, 2012
Location
Melbourne
Posts
252
Likes
34
For me, I run window server 2012 r2 in server core mode (and disable all unnecessary services). The reason I choose this OS since my player of choice, jplay, run its best at this os. I haven't try other os, but someone whom I know had tried other setup, including mac mini 2009 setup, and prefer this same setup as mine. I might try other os and system, if I had a spare time (which might be unlikely in the next few months). But I do welcome other input. I still would like to improve my setup if I had a chance.

So far, I'm quite happy with this setup. A few days back, I tried a fresh install of foobar portable 1.3.8 (and disable & delete all its unnecessary components & themes) and still found my preference lie on current setup. It offer the music flow analog and liquid alike, while maintain its black background, good imaging and great texture. Soundstage is the same.
 
     Share This Post       
post-11488904
Post #3,802 of 6,423

wahsmoh

1000+ Head-Fier
Joined
Jan 31, 2013
Messages
1,460
Reaction score
321
Joined
Jan 31, 2013
Posts
1,460
Likes
321
I'm having hard drive errors with my PC I think from clearing out registry errors more than a few times. My PC stalls and the red light on my case turns on and after 30 seconds to a minute my PC resumes function. I just need to reinstall windows for the 2nd time in 6 months. Such a POS and this is windows 7 too not windows 8
 
     Share This Post       
post-11488925
Post #3,803 of 6,423

estreeter

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Jun 10, 2009
Messages
8,326
Reaction score
470
Joined
Jun 10, 2009
Posts
8,326
Likes
470
 
Indeed. Why anyone would use Windows for a music server is beyond me. It's quite literally the worst choice.
 
Chris Connaker rang - apparently he wants a word with you outside  

 
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/609-computer-audiophile-pocket-server-c-p-s-v4-introduction/
 
CAPS v4 Software

All four CAPS servers will run Windows 8.1 Professional 64-bit and JRiver Media Center v20. At this point in time Windows 8.1 is the only stable game in town that's compatible with any number of applications and audio components. I'm excited to see what members of the CA Community will do when they install Linux, but for now my four main designs are Windows based. I selected JRiver Media Center v20 because it's very stable, has great support, is widely used in the CA Community, and is capable of great sound quality for all PCM and DSD sample rates as well as multi-channel audio. There are other applications available that I consider a bit more fringe at this moment in time. I'll leave it to the CA Community to use and tweak those applications and share results with everyone. As a formula and platform I believe Windows 8.1 Professional and JRiver Media Center v20 is the best combination.
 
     Share This Post       
post-11488936
Post #3,804 of 6,423

ciphercomplete

1000+ Head-Fier
Joined
Feb 21, 2008
Messages
1,188
Reaction score
82
Joined
Feb 21, 2008
Posts
1,188
Likes
82
Indeed. Why anyone would use Windows for a music server is beyond me. It's quite literally the worst choice.

Its only the worst choice if you dont know everything you need to do to get it running. Just like Linux is the worst choice if you have never used it before and no idea how to install dependant libraries. I have tried most of them (windows 8.1, linux, apple) in my system. The end result sound quality wise was the same.
 
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: bfreedma
post-11488973
Post #3,805 of 6,423

ciphercomplete

1000+ Head-Fier
Joined
Feb 21, 2008
Messages
1,188
Reaction score
82
Joined
Feb 21, 2008
Posts
1,188
Likes
82
If only windows were so well behaved, it uses the page file all the time even when it you have loads of ram sitting empty....piece of garbage OS

I'm no Microsoft appologist by any stretch, as i just had to reinstall Windows 8.1 on my family pc because of a windows update error,but just because Windows is writing to and reading the pagefile does not mean it is using it as a ram susbtitute at that moment.
 
     Share This Post       
post-11488987
Post #3,806 of 6,423

bfreedma

The Hornet!
Joined
Feb 3, 2012
Messages
2,419
Reaction score
1,287
Joined
Feb 3, 2012
Posts
2,419
Likes
1,287
For me, I run window server 2012 r2 in server core mode (and disable all unnecessary services). The reason I choose this OS since my player of choice, jplay, run its best at this os. I haven't try other os, but someone whom I know had tried other setup, including mac mini 2009 setup, and prefer this same setup as mine. I might try other os and system, if I had a spare time (which might be unlikely in the next few months). But I do welcome other input. I still would like to improve my setup if I had a chance.

So far, I'm quite happy with this setup. A few days back, I tried a fresh install of foobar portable 1.3.8 (and disable & delete all its unnecessary components & themes) and still found my preference lie on current setup. It offer the music flow analog and liquid alike, while maintain its black background, good imaging and great texture. Soundstage is the same.
 
I'm amazed that people are spending a minimum of $700 for a Server OS that has no real benefits. 
 
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: preproman
post-11489005
Post #3,807 of 6,423

ciphercomplete

1000+ Head-Fier
Joined
Feb 21, 2008
Messages
1,188
Reaction score
82
Joined
Feb 21, 2008
Posts
1,188
Likes
82
I'm amazed that people are spending a minimum of $700 for a Server OS that has no real benefits. 

:D

I have the same thoughts about speaker cable risers, "quantum tunneled" power cables, super special usb cables etc. But if people think they hear a difference im not one to argue.
 
     Share This Post       
post-11489105
Post #3,808 of 6,423

jsgraha

100+ Head-Fier
Joined
Apr 18, 2012
Messages
252
Reaction score
34
Location
Melbourne
Joined
Apr 18, 2012
Location
Melbourne
Posts
252
Likes
34
I'm amazed that people are spending a minimum of $700 for a Server OS that has no real benefits. 

I use the evaluation version which have 180 days. So I need to reinstall every 6 months, which about 10 minutes to do.

You may try it here
http://care.dlservice.microsoft.com/dl/download/6/2/A/62A76ABB-9990-4EFC-A4FE-C7D698DAEB96/9600.16384.WINBLUE_RTM.130821-1623_X64FRE_SERVER_EVAL_EN-US-IRM_SSS_X64FREE_EN-US_DV5.ISO

I found an improvement over windows 7 or 8, but only using it to play music. Nothing else

The thread can be found on my local forum

http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/index.php?/topic/60130-audiophile-optimizer/
 
     Share This Post       
post-11489128
Post #3,809 of 6,423

bfreedma

The Hornet!
Joined
Feb 3, 2012
Messages
2,419
Reaction score
1,287
Joined
Feb 3, 2012
Posts
2,419
Likes
1,287
I use the evaluation version which have 180 days. So I need to reinstall every 6 months, which about 10 minutes to do.

You may try it here
http://care.dlservice.microsoft.com/dl/download/6/2/A/62A76ABB-9990-4EFC-A4FE-C7D698DAEB96/9600.16384.WINBLUE_RTM.130821-1623_X64FRE_SERVER_EVAL_EN-US-IRM_SSS_X64FREE_EN-US_DV5.ISO

I found an improvement over windows 7 or 8, but only using it to play music. Nothing else
 
There is no possible reason for Server to improve music playback over the desktop OS.  And you could accomplish the same thing in Win 7 or 8 by disabling services and setting Priority and Processor Affinity for your playback software.
 
A modern computer running little more than software to play music isn't working hard enough to have any impact.  That's simple enough to prove via Resource Management reporting.
 
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: kazsud
post-11489130
Post #3,810 of 6,423

estreeter

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Jun 10, 2009
Messages
8,326
Reaction score
470
Joined
Jun 10, 2009
Posts
8,326
Likes
470
   
I'm amazed that people are spending a minimum of $700 for a Server OS that has no real benefits. 
 
Pretty well known that most people use the eval version and reinstall every 6 months - no biggie. 
 
     Share This Post       

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 3)

Top