The Vero Revolutionary Headphone Cabling System by MIT

[AxelCloris]

I've mentioned a couple of places in the thread about a basic adapter coming included with the Vero but I've been informed by MIT that one does not come included with the Vero and will need to be purchased separately for those who need one. All Vero will be terminated with a 4-pin XLR. I've updated my posts throughout the thread to reflect this.

 

[Audio Addict]

Is that a change from the campaign as I thought you could select the termination?

 

[Axis1]

From the start Kim told that Vero adapter is seperated from Vero cables.

Is that a change from the campaign as I thought you could select the termination?

 
From the start Kim messaged me that Vero adapter is optional and separated from Vero cables, can be use together or solo either ones. Noted that adding adapter will decrease quality by about 10% iirc, even confusing over the purpose of adapter and how its look like? Kim and Bruce might come up with a chart soon.

 

[AxelCloris]

Is that a change from the campaign as I thought you could select the termination?

 
XLR terminated. The option you can select is which termination you need for your headphones. The cable is balanced by design.

 

[Audio Addict]

From the start Kim told that Vero adapter is seperated from Vero cables.

From the start Kim messaged me that Vero adapter is optional and separated from Vero cables, can be use together or solo either ones. Noted that adding adapter will decrease quality by about 10% iirc, even confusing over the purpose of adapter and how its look like? Kim and Bruce might come up with a chart soon.

Thanks

XLR terminated. The option you can select is which termination you need for your headphones. The cable is balanced by design.

Thanks

 

[Axis1]

I'm sure they recouped the patent costs years ago. They filed for the patent back in 2003 (it was grated in 2007), and have been using it in their regular MIT cables for years.

http://www.google.com/patents/US7242780

se

 
Patent need to be renew every few years at less than the initial costs.
 
Other costs I think it went into the soldering parts in the Vero enclosure box between the cables which I assume it uses silver or any lead free to assure its quality Vero can bring. I just realised this when reading an article, I assume you have read it
http://headphone.guru/cables/

 

[Steve Eddy]

Patent need to be renew every few years at less than the initial costs.

At 7.5 years, MIT would have to pay an $1,800 maintenance fee. And MIT sells a huge variety of audio cables, not just Vero. An 8 foot bi wire set of speaker cables sell for $50,000. I can buy a damn nice car for $50,000. But this is just an 8 foot set of wires. So I don't see that an $1,800 maintenance fee is playing any role here.

Other costs I think it went into the soldering parts in the Vero enclosure box between the cables which I assume it uses silver or any lead free to assure its quality Vero can bring.

From what I can gather, it's the same cable, just 9 more "articulation poles" which are just some SMD parts on a circuit board. But a $400 increase in price.

I just realised this when reading an article, I assume you have read it
http://headphone.guru/cables/

Haven't read it. I've no interest in it.

se

 

[seeteeyou]

 
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vero-revolutionary-headphone-cable/x/6703892
 
It's finally done and we'll have some fun this fall.

 

[Axis1]

 

 
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vero-revolutionary-headphone-cable/x/6703892
 
It's finally done and we'll have some fun this fall.

 
Good luck, I think only certain headphones will benefit it, if anyone using low-end headphone, they'll hear a small improvement.
 
For anyone info, Full-range cables is mentioned to be a v-shaped and Reference Full-range cables is I assume to be linear.

 

[AxelCloris]

  Good luck, I think only certain headphones will benefit it, if anyone using low-end headphone, they'll hear a small improvement.
 
For anyone info, Full-range cables is mentioned to be a v-shaped and Reference Full-range cables is I assume to be linear.

 
Please note that my exact words were "...I would say that the Full Range has a very shallow V shaped sound (key word: very) while the Reference is even across the whole spectrum."

 

[Axis1]

Towards the end of campaign, I have backed out when Davies from Flare technology is a completely different approach to any other manufacturer that their R2PRO IEM is capable of retain a completely accurate of high, mid and low range sound without adding distortion as with many traditional earphones and headphones does. I think you will like to own that at 50%.
 
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/584645150/flare-audio-a-revolution-in-pure-sound
 
This is to show my appreciate to AxelCloris and other members who have tested Vero cables in desire for clarity sounds, I thought Flare Audio has an advanced technology that aren't possible for this price and size.

 

[Axis1]

Sorry forgot the link
http://www.head-fi.org/products/flare-audio-r2pro-earphones/reviews/13250

 

[adobotj]

Will the Vero dongles make any real improvements? If I understood their explanation correctly, they improve the "signal path" of the/their cables with their multipole technology and making the signal equal and even across the audible sound spectrum to provide an un-colored, fuller sound that makes it true to its source.

I can see that it might work for their line of replacement cables but I can't see it work on their dongles as the signal AFTER passing the dongle still goes through the stock cables sound sig.

If a stock cable for example is known as bright, the dongle may fill up the bass frequencies and make it even but in turn may overemphasize the mids and treble sections thus making the sound brighter but with a bit bass. In my opinion it will not "improve" the sound as it will not be true to the source and overemphasize elements in the music.

I'm not sure if I can understand correctly though hence this post. The reason why I'm asking this is that although I'm not a fan of aftermarket cables, I am curious about this type of cable because of its technology.

Cheers!

 

[AxelCloris]

Will the Vero dongles make any real improvements? If I understood their explanation correctly, they improve the "signal path" of the/their cables with their multipole technology and making the signal equal and even across the audible sound spectrum to provide an un-colored, fuller sound that makes it true to its source.

I can see that it might work for their line of replacement cables but I can't see it work on their dongles as the signal AFTER passing the dongle still goes through the stock cables sound sig.

If a stock cable for example is known as bright, the dongle may fill up the bass frequencies and make it even but in turn may overemphasize the mids and treble sections thus making the sound brighter but with a bit bass. In my opinion it will not "improve" the sound as it will not be true to the source and overemphasize elements in the music.

I'm not sure if I can understand correctly though hence this post. The reason why I'm asking this is that although I'm not a fan of aftermarket cables, I am curious about this type of cable because of its technology.

Cheers!

 
I can assure you that the dongle absolutely makes a noticeable change in the sound. If it's an improvement is completely subjective but to me, yes it does. I don't hide the fact that I'm not a fan of the EL-8 but I got to listen to it through a Vero Dongle and it was definitely a change for the better. Sure it's not as influential as a full cable replacement but the EL-8 has those proprietary connectors that only they use. The open-back EL-8 sounded best to me when paired with the both the Vero and Vero Bass dongles in the chain. That said, I still wouldn't buy an EL-8.
 
I'm not sure my analogy is the best but here is how I see the Vero Dongle working in a system. If you have a normal cable, the signal flows normally. With the Vero Full Range, imagine that it's putting a spin on the signal, so to speak, and continues applying that spin through the entire length of the cable. Now the Vero Dongle might be a mix of the two. Imagine that it's putting the spin on the signal but as it enters the stock cable the spin is gradually lessened the farther it goes. Similar to this pretty cool water faucet.
 

 
The lattice pattern has larger openings the farther it makes it from the source. It's still very obviously affected by the fixture but not to the same degree as if that spin was applied the whole way down into the sink. Of course this is just how I think of the Vero Dongle in my mind. For all I know this may not be an accurate analogy at all.
 
I'm not an EE so I can't say precisely how the Vero Dongle has modified the sound but I can say that having it in front of a stock cable makes a difference to my ears. Whether or not it's an improvement will all come down to the person on the other end of the headphones.

 

[adobotj]

Thank you AxelCloris! Now I'm very interested in the Vero dongle. I might buy one already. The reason I'm interested in the dongle is because I have an audeze and alpha dogs and they both terminate balanced xlr's. Buying the dongle with the xlr connections is like hitting two birds with one stone for me. I can use the Vero on both headphones in that manner as opposed to buying two separate Vero cables for each headphones.

So, I might try the dongle thank you!

Cheers!