The Vero Revolutionary Headphone Cabling System by MIT
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If you’ve been in the audio scene for a while then you’re most likely familiar with the name MIT Cables. For the more recent additions to this wonderful hobby, MIT has developed audio and video interfaces, AC power conditioners, and noise filtering technologies for more than three decades. In short, they’ve been around the audio block more than a few times.
 
At the 2014 Rocky Mountain Audio Fest, MIT introduced the world to the Vero Revolutionary Headphone Cabling System, the company’s first entry into personal audio. I’m told that the name Vero, meaning “true” in Italian, was chosen because MIT’s latest designs aim to showcase the “truth in music.” With the Vero, MIT has taken their proprietary Multipole Technology, found in many of their audio interfaces and interconnects, and brought it to the world of headphones.
 
The Vero will be available in two flavors; a replacement cable for headphones with detachable cables or a dongle that connects to the end of permanently attached cables. And while MIT plans to make Vero cables for multiple headphones they won’t be able to produce a cable for every single one out there. Those headphones will be able to utilize the dongle as well. More details about specific configurations will be available when MIT launches their Vero crowdfunding campaign on Indiegogo later this year. Currently they're expecting it to go live late in the first quarter.
 
Now the science and design behind the Vero is great, but when I’m listening to my headphones I don’t really think about the technology that went into it, I focus on the music. So that’s exactly what I’ve been doing with the prototype that MIT has provided. MIT states that the Vero will provide better bass, better mid-range, and smoother high frequencies. To foreshadow a bit, I have to say that I’m very impressed so far.
 
Listening Tests
 
My setup for testing the Vero included the Geek Pulse, Geek LPS4, and two Lightspeed 1G cables by LH Labs; a pair of Alpha Dogs by MrSpeakers; a 2012 MacBook Pro; and MIT’s own SL Z-Cord 3fp power cable. All audio files came from Spotify streaming at 320 kbps. Listening tests were conducted first using the stock MrSpeakers Alpha Dog cable and then again using the MIT Vero cable followed once more with the stock cable.
 
In Five Iron Frenzy’s Engine of a Million Plots album I found there was better separation between all of the instruments. The bass sounded tighter and had more body but not to the point that I felt there was too much. And the soundstage sounded larger across all of the songs. The horns had more life to their sound with better clarity and emphasis on the attacks. As a trombone player a natural horn reproduction is incredibly important to me. But there was a minor drawback with the Vero cable and this album. The lead male vocals sounded slightly recessed and began to blend into the music at points. It never made the vocals indistinguishable, but it was noticeable when it happened.
 
Listening to Gustav Holst’s “The Planets, Op. 32: Mars, the Bringer of War” I once again noticed a larger soundstage with the Vero. The stock cable sounded like the symphony was grouped together by sections and then spread out from the other sections while the Vero made the presentation sound like it was coming from one large group. But the improved separation was still present so I never found it difficult to place the horns, winds, and strings; it was more as though I was there in the concert hall vs listening to a recording off-site. I also notated that the horns’ sense of urgency was better conveyed on the Vero and that their timbre held more of a live presentation rather than a recording.
 
From Miles Davis’s “So What” I noted that the presentation made me feel as though I were sitting on stage performing with the group, rather than in the audience. I’ve played jazz for many years and this is one of my favorite songs to perform. Feeling as though I’m in the performance doesn’t usually happen on this song but it was nice here. By contrast the stock cable made me feel as though I were sitting in the second row in a nice cozy small venue; still an intimate piece but not so intimate as performing it yourself. I also noted that instrument separation was more accurate within the soundstage, but the soundstage itself wasn’t that different between the two cables.
 
I was listening to GARNiDELiA’s “One” and I’ve simply written “Whoa bass” here in my notes. The bass had much more body and much better decay than the stock cable. I also noted that the Vero brought more life to the vocals and that the mix was better between vocals and accompaniment, my notes saying “almost perfect.”
 
During Cee Lo Green’s “I Want You” I found, like with Five Iron Frenzy, that the male vocals were slightly recessed and would slightly blend in with the rest of the music at times. Again it wasn’t impossible to hear him but it was noticeable when it happened. I also noticed that when he had a subtler vibrato it was easier to notice on the Vero than the stock cable. The background music had a bigger sound overall and filled the soundstage more, giving a closer presentation. And I also noted that his reverb was more natural on the Vero thanks to the tighter decay.
 
And finally when listening to Kristen Chenoweth and Idina Menzel’s “For Good” I have some interesting notes, I wrote “Goose bumps. Goose bumps everywhere.” This is one of those songs that will always give me goose bumps and chills when listening to a nice setup. Even with the stock cable I still get them several times throughout the song. But with the Vero they were constant, they never went away as soon as the ladies began singing. Presentation was once again closer and sounded as though they were directly in front of my singing to one another. There was a better mix between the female vocals and the orchestra and the subtle horn parts seemed to stand out a bit.
 
We don’t have time for me to go through the whole list of notes so hopefully everything above will give you an idea what you can expect from the Vero. With the audio comparisons done there are a few things I’d like to point out about the cable itself. First off, it’s stiff, and I’m sure that’s due mostly to the sleeving used on the cable. But the sleeving also has the negative effect of making the cable more microphonic than the stock cable, which is rubber coated. The splitter is box-like and can sometimes get caught on things such as the edge of a desk. If possible I’d like to see it rounded off a bit before the final release.
 
Final Thoughts
 
In my 16 years of audio experience I’ve not seen a headphone cable make as much of a difference as this. MIT is definitely on to something with the Vero. I’ve absolutely fallen in love with the prototype; I’ll be saddened when it has to go back. And knowing that it’s a prototype I can’t help but wonder what kind of changes, subtle or otherwise, we’ll see implemented before they enter full production later this year. Now that I’ve attached the Vero to my Alpha Dogs I simply don’t want to take it off. I can say with absolute certainty that MIT will have more of my money as soon as the Vero is available; be it via crowdfunding, the MIT Buyers Club, or retail. And with MIT planning to launch the Indiegogo campaign just before the southern California CanJam in March, I won't have to wait too long.
 
Disclosure: MIT provided me with a prototype Vero headphone cable and Vero balanced to SE adapter. The MIT SL Z-Cord 3fp power cable was not provided by MIT and was purchased via the MIT Buyers Club. MIT has not paid me for these impressions and the Vero cable and adapter will be returned to MIT upon completion. The adapters may be added for backers later in the campaign.
 
Update 2/18
 
I've received word that MIT has a second prototype in development that utilizes a softer, thinner and more flexible cable. Hopefully once they're finished with the new design they'll be sending the revision my way and I can compare it against the original prototype. I haven't heard anything about possible changes to the splitter housing but we'll see what happens down the line.
 
I also now have some information on pricing for the Vero. MIT Buyers Club members can opt-in for any updates surrounding the Vero and receive a special perk during the Indiegogo campaign. I've been told that the perk is "substantially lower than the MSRP" but I don't have any specific prices at this time. We'll probably learn about those special prices and the MSRP closer to the start of the campaign in March. If you're not currently signed up for the MIT Buyers Club I'd encourage doing so. It's free, after all.
 
And one last update for today, MIT is planning on having the Vero on display at the SoCal CanJam on March 28-29. If you're going to be at the show I'd encourage stopping by the MIT table and checking out the Vero system. I know I'll be visiting for sure.
 
MIT Vero Reference (added 5/12)
 
I've had the Vero Reference in-house for a few days now and I connected it immediately after delivery. I allowed music to play for two full days before doing any head-to-head comparisons with the standard Vero I also have on hand. I'm lucky to have both prototypes at the same time because the second Vero prototype is due back to MIT soon. Here are my thoughts after a few hours comparing the two against one another.
 
First, my feelings about the Vero Full Range cable still stand; I think it's an excellent cable based on my experience pairing it with both the MrSpeakers Alpha Dogs and the HiFiMan HE-400i. But as I said in my earlier posts the main drawback I experienced was a blending of male vocals into the music and they felt slightly lost in the chaos at times. The Vero Reference seems to have removed that splinter from the paw and male vocals are now exactly as pronounced as I want them to be. Now for some specific direct comparisons.
 
One of the aspects of the Vero Reference that quickly stands out above the Full Range is cymbal decay; the Reference provides a longer ring and decay after a crash. I also found that the same is true for chimes. Overall I feel that anything hitting the higher frequencies benefits from some added extension and clarity over the Vero Full Range. Female vocals are just as seductive on the Reference as they are on the Full Range. They're prominent and command the attention of the listener. As mentioned above I can now say the same for male vocals as well. To my ears it's an obvious change for the better.
 
Previously I found that the bass was very controlled but still demonstrating its presence with the Vero Full Range. I feel like the bass has been tamed slightly on the Reference so bass lovers may want to consider picking up a bass dongle for the reference if they weren't before. I personally found the bass dongle to be a bit much a lot of the time when paired with the Full Range cable. With the Reference's tighter and slightly less emphasized bass response I found that pairing the bass dongle more welcome on some songs where I really wanted that extra oomph. But I'm far from a bass head so those times aren't all that common for me.
 
If I were asked to quickly explain the sonic differences between the two cables I would say that the Full Range has a very shallow V shaped sound (key word: very) while the Reference is even across the whole spectrum.
 
Physically the Vero Reference prototype looks very similar to the second Vero Full Range prototype. The main visible differences are placement of the cable sleeving and the branding on the box splitter. On the Reference the sleeving runs from the 4-pin XLR connector to the box splitter. On the Full Range cable the sleeving is situated between the box splitter and headphone connectors. I commented early on that I felt the first Full Range prototype felt too stiff due to the sleeve that was used and while the sleeve appears to be similar the Reference's stiffness falls somewhere between the first and second Full Range prototypes. I find that it's a nice balance that's not too stiff. The Reference cable is less microphonic than the Full Range prototype due to the change in sleeve placement and that is always appreciated.
 
By now the question most likely on everyone's mind is "is the Reference worth the upgrade?" Well unfortunately that's not a question I can answer for anyone other than myself. For me the answer is a resounding yes. The HE-400i's stock cable simply cannot deliver the same musicality as the Vero Full Range and Vero Reference. For me, going with the Reference is a no-brainer but for some the Full Range may be more up their alley. If the Reference isn't in your budget then you're sure to enjoy the Full Range as I have. Perhaps having both cables in-house at the same time is more of a curse than a blessing; comparing them side-by-side has shown me exactly what improvements the Reference brings to the table and now I simply cannot stop at the Full Range.
 
Mar 11, 2015 at 10:26 AM Post #2 of 143
I received an email the other day from the MIT Buyers Club with an official announcement for the Indiegogo campaign. It looks like they're set to launch at Midnight on 3/24. This is just a few days before SoCal CanJam. And they're still advertising a special "secret" perk for Backers Club members so keep that in mind.
 
I'm set to receive the second prototype shortly and the email contained a photo of the revision with more rubbery shielding.
 
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And a few thoughts about the Vero came in from Five Four productions. (via MIT Blog)
 
Next update when I have the second prototype on hand.
 
Mar 15, 2015 at 2:07 PM Post #3 of 143
Hi i need to have a few of these devices ...as i use the interconnects and power cables and speaker cables in both my studio and my home theater system.
In my opinion they are the best cables in the world pound for pound. I have been using them for over twenty years.
I will be getting cables for my Sony 7509hd`s / Sony mdr z1 / JBL S7000 and Dre Beats Pro Headphones.
 
Great company that makes fantastic products.
 
I cannot wait. 
 
Mar 24, 2015 at 3:46 AM Post #5 of 143
The Vero campaign is now live on Indiegogo. Here's the information for the secret perk pricing and what they entail.
 
Secret Perk #1
Vero Full Range Headphone Cable - $125.00
This is the absolute lowest price for our Vero Cable which has an MSRP of $499.00.
Limited Quantity Available: 50
 
Secret Perk #2
Vero Standard Universal Dongle - $99.00
This will be the lowest price offered for the Vero Standard Dongle which has an MSRP of $299.00
Limited Quantity Available: 100
 
Secret Perk #3
Vero Bass Dongle - $149.00
This will be the very lowest price for the Vero Bass Dongle which has an MSRP of $350.00
Limited Quantity Available: 100
 
Secret Perk #4
Vero Full Range Headphone Cable plus Vero Bass Dongle Combo - $249.00
The very best of both! Combining our Vero Full Range Headphone Cable with the Vero Bass Dongle at this price? Why wouldn't you??
Limited Quantity Available: 50
 
Apr 11, 2015 at 9:03 AM Post #7 of 143
This is interesting, especially the dongles version. I have way too many headphones to use the non-dongled versions.
 
May 1, 2015 at 8:21 AM Post #9 of 143
  AxelCloris, any updates on your second test? It's almost a week of silent or found any issues with Vero?

 
Still testing. The cable arrived just before AXPONA and I spent most of the weekend doing show coverage. I'll probably be sharing my impressions tomorrow after a little more time to collect my thoughts.
 
May 1, 2015 at 10:15 AM Post #10 of 143
Thank for the replied, and would you think it's worth to get full-range over universal standard, if there any significant difference or not worth to spent extra costs? Hope your valuable information will help the res of us.
 
May 1, 2015 at 10:35 AM Post #11 of 143
  Thank for the replied, and would you think it's worth to get full-range over universal standard, if there any significant difference or not worth to spent extra costs? Hope your valuable information will help the res of us.

 
From my time with the prototypes I feel that you can get about 85% of the benefit of the cable with the dongle. So what I'd recommend depends on your personal situation. If you have more than one headphone that you use on a regular basis and don't want to grab a dedicated cable for each then you should grab the dongle. If you have one main headphone or a couple of headphones that use the same connector then I'd say get the cable for the additional benefit.
 
And they sent me the bass dongle to pair with the latest prototype. Wow that thing definitely gives some additional life in the low end.
 
May 1, 2015 at 10:59 AM Post #12 of 143
Great, I plan to use on virtual reality experiment on delivering great music.
 
Oh yes, I have a question if I own a Macbook Pro and ATH-M40x headphone, the full range cable that use 4pin XLR can be connect with audio jack to XLR 4pin?
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Seem only a tiny contributors backed bass dongle, I guess we can do with EQ-ing to get the same effect?
 
May 1, 2015 at 11:04 AM Post #13 of 143
Oh, my last post need approval, repost again.
 
Using for virtual reality experiment. I own Macbook Pro and ATH-M40x, it is possible to get the same quality with full range cable that has 4pin XLR with the audio jack to 4pin XLR?
 
Only a shy amount of contributors backed bass dongle, I guess it's possible with EQ-ing to get the same effect?
 
May 1, 2015 at 11:18 AM Post #14 of 143
  Oh, my last post need approval, repost again.
 
Using for virtual reality experiment. I own Macbook Pro and ATH-M40x, it is possible to get the same quality with full range cable that has 4pin XLR with the audio jack to 4pin XLR?
 
Only a shy amount of contributors backed bass dongle, I guess it's possible with EQ-ing to get the same effect?

 
Not sure about EQ since I hardly touch the stuff. Not every headphones setup I have at home can benefit from it so I don't bother with it.
 
And if I understand your first question, all Vero come terminated with a 4-pin XLR by default so you'll have to use a 4-pin to 1/4" adapter with SE equipment. An adapter will add a small bit of additional attenuation but only the most discerning ear will notice a difference when listening.
 
May 1, 2015 at 11:33 AM Post #15 of 143
   
Not sure about EQ since I hardly touch the stuff. Not every headphones setup I have at home can benefit from it so I don't bother with it.
 
And if I understand your first question, all Vero come terminated with a 4-pin XLR by default so you'll have to use the included 4-pin to 1/4" adapter with SE equipment. An adapter will add a small bit of additional attenuation but only the most discerning ear will notice a difference when listening.

 
SE equipment mean? Headphone Amplifier? I have recently backed Leo: Vintage Analog Sound at Kickstarter, it's a amplifier and interesting to hear what vinyl+low bass increase similar to the Vero bass dongle can really sound.
 
So to connect from Macbook Pro would use this adapter - 4-pin XLR (F) to 1/4" (M)? The vero cable is 4-pin XLR (M)?
 

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