[stuck limo]

for battery life android may not good for this

Sell a battery case for the unit. I personally like Spotify so it would need streaming capability.

 

[Wyd4]

My response was tongue in cheek also.


Not for a second would I think Fiio are making a transport for my dac/amp. Would just be nice if it works with my dac/amp

 

[jeffhawke]

  I have not been following this thread but I am excited to see it.
I have been looking for soemthing to strap to my mojo.  Currently using an old z3 compact phone which is working well, but something even more DAC/AMP for purpose would be great.
 
I think it ticks most of the boxes for me, except I have no need of Headphone Out and Line Out on such a device.
Optical, Coax, USB digital out and I am happy.

THat being said I would love to see 2 usb ports, one for charging, one for data.  Reason being so I dont have to unplug my dac every time I need to charge the transport.
 
Other than this, I think it looks good!

I think a very relevant point is being raised here: if it is a "pure" transport, why does it need a phone out/line out? All it really needs are the three digital outputs, isn't it?

 

[x RELIC x]

I think a very relevant point is being raised here: if it is a "pure" transport, why does it need a phone out/line out? All it really needs are the three digital outputs, isn't it?

It's been raised already for about 70% of this thread.

 

[jeffhawke]

It's been raised already for about 70% of this thread.

And what seems to be the consensus?

 

[x RELIC x]

And what seems to be the consensus?

Well, you can read the short thread to get the full story. Anyway, FiiO is adding a cheap, all in one, DAC/amp chip from Sabre to reach a broader market. There have already been quite a few posts requesting TOTL DAC/amp solutions for this transport so FiiO may face some market confusion on the device.

Here's a perfect example:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/799227/do-we-need-a-new-transport-when-there-are-so-many-hifi-daps-in-the-market/330#post_12422163

 

[JamesFiiO]

If people are focus on a " Pure " transport which not includes any DAC/AMP, it can be very easy to us to make such products in 1 week and just remove the DAC/AMP from the PCBA. 
 
for example, a X3/X5/X7 without amp/dac, will it satisfy our customers ? I don't think so. the key is not with or without amp/DAC , the key is size, price, storage, more digital/analog output and others. 
 
 
So, if we make a X3II without DAC/AMP , will you buy it ?

 

[headwhacker]

  If people are focus on a " Pure " transport which not includes any DAC/AMP, it can be very easy to us to make such products in 1 week and just remove the DAC/AMP from the PCBA. 
 
for example, a X3/X5/X7 without amp/dac, will it satisfy our customers ? I don't think so. the key is not with or without amp/DAC , the key is size, price, storage, more digital/analog output and others. 
 
 
So, if we make a X3II without DAC/AMP , will you buy it ?

 
Yes if it has all 3 digital output, full Android OS and Wifi + Bluetooth

 

[jeffhawke]

Well, you can read the short thread to get the full story. Anyway, FiiO is adding a cheap, all in one, DAC/amp chip from Sabre to reach a broader market. There have already been quite a few posts requesting TOTL DAC/amp solutions for this transport so FiiO may face some market confusion on the device.

Here's a perfect example:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/799227/do-we-need-a-new-transport-when-there-are-so-many-hifi-daps-in-the-market/330#post_12422163

Thanks, all clear. At this point though, whether the headphone and line out are the same doesn't change much, right?

 

[jeffhawke]

  If people are focus on a " Pure " transport which not includes any DAC/AMP, it can be very easy to us to make such products in 1 week and just remove the DAC/AMP from the PCBA. 
 
for example, a X3/X5/X7 without amp/dac, will it satisfy our customers ? I don't think so. the key is not with or without amp/DAC , the key is size, price, storage, more digital/analog output and others. 
 
 
So, if we make a X3II without DAC/AMP , will you buy it ?

An X3II certainly not, an X7 maybe...

 

[x RELIC x]

If people are focus on a " Pure " transport which not includes any DAC/AMP, it can be very easy to us to make such products in 1 week and just remove the DAC/AMP from the PCBA. 

for example, a X3/X5/X7 without amp/dac, will it satisfy our customers ? I don't think so. the key is not with or without amp/DAC , the key is size, price, storage, more digital/analog output and others. 


So, if we make a X3II without DAC/AMP , will you buy it ?

Well, sort of.... If you can have 2 full sizes SD cards slots, slim profile and all digital output options with good battery life it would be exactly what users want for a transport. Such a device does not exist yet. I think you should include a touch screen instead of a scroll wheel. There is a market for it. Look at all the portable DAC/amps out there James. The Mojo is a huge success, the HA-2 is a huge success, hopefully your Q5 will be a huge success. There are many reasons to also have a high storage capacity transport to connect to desktop gear.

I fully understand why you want to include an inexpensive DAC/amp in the device, but I honestly feel it confuses people who want a transport and people who want a quality DAP. It blurs the line. If I, (strictly speaking for myself here) can save $50-70 I would. If you think it will sell better with a cheap DAC/amp then go for it, but as you can see it has caused some confusion.

 

[x RELIC x]

Thanks, all clear. At this point though, whether the headphone and line out are the same doesn't change much, right?

Correct. Not really a big deal.

 

[Daeder]

I wouldn't mind a headphone out as I can use it on the go with my iem's and then when I want, I can use it with my Mojo at home where I might not want to carry Mojo and Fiio transport.

 

[masterpfa]

  If people are focus on a " Pure " transport which not includes any DAC/AMP, it can be very easy to us to make such products in 1 week and just remove the DAC/AMP from the PCBA. 
 
for example, a X3/X5/X7 without amp/dac, will it satisfy our customers ? I don't think so. the key is not with or without amp/DAC , the key is size, price, storage, more digital/analog output and others. 
 
 
So, if we make a X3II without DAC/AMP , will you buy it ?

I personally thought that a consensus had already been agreed after many pages of discussions. 
 

new picture, just for reference cause we have not start the design so there may have big change . 
 
 
 

For demonstration purposes, something like this with USB's top and bottom
 
 
Personally the main objective would be large storage capacity, small size, connectivity and low cost which as far as I can see are also the goals of James and Fiio

the wishlist of all here are not all going to be met ever but a marketable compromise can be.

 

[Kira69]

This device will output pure digital signal from DSD files? And from SACD iso files?
 
And if I can make a request... As an X5 owner, I really MISS a "format/bit depth/sample rate/etc" little info window while playing a file. Something like Astell&Kern DAPs, Onkyo dp-x1 and some others already do. Can we expect this little but useful feature on this new Fiio hi-res player?