The Sennheiser Orpheus 2? A First Look At The Sennheiser HE-1 (The New Orpheus)

[chinsettawong]

 

[mulder01]

Something like that. I guess its also possible somebody could build something that they find better than HE-1. For me i loved everything about he-1 except for the brightness. If there was something that had the bass, clarity, imaging, soundstage but less bright that would be ny endgame.

Sure - especially when something is so subjective. Someone can prefer a rig 10% of the cost. High price does not guarantee enjoyment for everyone.

 

[Matez]

Sure - especially when something is so subjective. Someone can prefer a rig 10% of the cost. High price does not guarantee enjoyment for everyone.

No, it doesn't. Yet my experience tells me that in most cases a certain level of quality comes with high asking price. For me there's quite a difference between i.e. most $500 and $3000 cans I know.

 

[Dobrescu George]

No, it doesn't. Yet my experience tells me that in most cases a certain level of quality comes with high asking price. For me there's quite a difference between i.e. most $500 and $3000 cans I know.

I had the opposite happen to me.

I tend to love most things in the ~300$ - 1500$ area, but although I can accept how good something is on the ~100$ price point, I usually prefer headphones from the 300$ - 1500$ area.

Those that are far more expensive are something I am yet to test, although the two ultra expensive headphones I tested left a very good impression, LCD-4 and RE-2000.

About He-1, it is probably the closest to real life experience headphone I tested in my life, but they are in the 50.000$ price area

 

[raypin]

mm..I hereby nominate Eric Bibb "Migration Blues" album as part of the" official audition album" for the HE 1. So damn good. That's for damn sure.

 

[mulder01]

No, it doesn't. Yet my experience tells me that in most cases a certain level of quality comes with high asking price. For me there's quite a difference between i.e. most $500 and $3000 cans I know.

Yeah price is a pretty good GENERAL guide for headphones, but my statement still stands for a complete system and subjective preferences.

 

[Whitigir]

Yeah price is a pretty good GENERAL guide for headphones, but my statement still stands for a complete system and subjective preferences.

No, price does not related and is not any general guide for Headphones.

Hell, let me say this, if you are into this hobby and you think price is a general guide for Headphones ? Get out as quick as you can. There is a manufacturer that feed on this , the so called "because it sounds good"

In this hobby, performances, quality are the 2 main factors to determine the price point of Headphones and amplifier and everything else. Comfortability and brand come in second, and then reliability and customer services.

Sadly, everything that sounds good and perform good will automatically be more expensive. Why ? Because it is reality, from everything like instruments, and everything else....even singers, artists, the better they are, the more pricey they get, period.

Then in the end, the company with the most money and reputations has the more capability to hire better employees with a better pay checks, and then the companies with the most history in making and producing these stuff has the most experiences and developments in compare to others. It is also a general fact just as much as everything else.

So, in the end, let me ask you...if you drink alcohols and you can't tell the tastes, can't differentiate....when you eat and you can't tell what you do like, or what kind you would love.....or when you drink coffee or teas....you don't even know what is good about them and why you like them.....or worse...you are in love and you don't know why.....it is the definition of "clueless" and "immaturity". You are just immature into those stuff, or yet to have experienced enough and or to find out about your own self, period. However, do never be mistaken that the best for you is automatically is the best for others...personal preferences, sure.

Then we can take it up another level, let me say this, there are pros and cons in everything in this life, this world, this universe. Simply enough is that without one, there would be no other. So in the end, there is no bad things, and the pros or cons are assigned automatically to a person given circumstances, situations, scenarios.....etc.....

Then, after all, how do we human can even comprehend all of this ? There is a defend mechanism inside all of us, it is the so called "in deniability "....people automatically become so in denial when there are something so out of reach, impossible to dream of according to their situations, scenarios....etc....they shut down and stop before further involved..... but then again, there is no impossible, because there is no absolute in our world. However, there would be something in our world that is almost absolute, but...there still never be an absolute. Because absolute is "non-existence"

 

[VandyMan]

No, price does not related and is not any general guide for Headphones.

Most manufactures most expensive ToTL headphones are what the manufacturer considers their best.

Hell, let me say this, if you are into this hobby and you think price is a general guide for Headphones ? Get out as quick as you can. There is a manufacturer that feed on this , the so called "because it sounds good"

In this hobby, performances, quality are the 2 main factors to determine the price point of Headphones and amplifier and everything else. Comfortability and brand come in second, and then reliability and customer services.

How is "In this hobby, performances, quality are the 2 main factors to determine the price point" any different from "because it sounds good"? I think HifiMan was being too honest about how most audiophile companies price and got beat up for telling the truth. If his English was better, I think he could have better explained what he meant.

Sure, some folks will like a less expensive headphone such as the HD-600 better than some ToTL models, but if, as you say, performance+quality=price then price is as good a starting place as any for finding the best. I do agree that one should listen widely before spending big bucks

 

[Whitigir]

It is not about his English, and I am so sure of it. It is about the underestimation and overconfident in his products in comparison to other manufacturers. Also, did he ever consider about his company reputations, history and so on ? I love competitions, and in the end, consumers will profit and decide it all. I would be surprised to see HFm will be out for any much longer, and I do pray to see a SusVara V2 or Edition12 and or RE6000 IEMs

 

[VandyMan]

It is not about his English, and I am so sure of it. It is about the underestimation and overconfident in his products in comparison to other manufacturers. Also, did he ever consider about his company reputations, history and so on ? I love competitions, and in the end, consumers will profit and decide it all. I would be surprised to see HFm will be out for any much longer, and I do pray to see a SusVara V2 or Edition12 and or RE6000 IEMs

You understand that from an offhand comment in broken Engish in a short interview done at a show? Impressive.

 

[Whitigir]

You understand that from an offhand comment in broken Engish in a short interview done at a show? Impressive.

Why not ? What makes anyone think that their products can be priced outrageously in comparison to other much more reputable companies with much longer history into develop many different things in the AV world ? Sennheiser, Focal, Fostex, Pioneer, Sony....etc...etc....an example, what make Edition 6 a much more expensive being than Utopia ? What makes Sangrila a much more expensive being than He-1 ? Yeah, because it sounds good. I am finished with debating this, there is no point, I will let the market and time to decide for itself. Again, I pray to see Edition 12 and RE6000, but I seriously doubt it

 

[VandyMan]

What makes anyone think that their products can be priced outrageously in comparison to other much more reputable companies with much longer history into develop many different things in the AV world ? Sennheiser, Focal, Fostex, Pioneer, Sony....etc...etc....an example, what make Edition 6 a much more expensive being than Utopia ? What makes Sangrila a much more expensive being than He-1 ? Yeah, because it sounds good.

You yourself said that headphones are priced based on performance+quality. That is basically the same as "because it sounds good." Why is it more than the others? Well, performance is a subjective criteria. I assume they feel it sounds better than all of the headphones you listed. If you and I agree, is immaterial since we don't set the prices. I happen to think that costs of R&D, potential market size, cost of materials, and cost of marketing all come into play, but that is not apparently your point of disagreement with HifiMan. I'm not really sure what your point is other than that you really really hate HifiMan a lot. I don't own any of their products for a reason, but your vitriol puzzles me. If the prices are out of line, the market will tell them.

I am finished with debating this, there is no point.

The rest of us finished debating this months ago. You are the one who dragged it out in an unrelated topic.

 

[mulder01]

No, price does not related and is not any general guide for Headphones.

So, in the end, let me ask you...if you drink alcohols and you can't tell the tastes, can't differentiate....when you eat and you can't tell what you do like, or what kind you would love.....or when you drink coffee or teas....you don't even know what is good about them and why you like them.....or worse...you are in love and you don't know why.....it is the definition of "clueless" and "immaturity". You are just immature into those stuff, or yet to have experienced enough and or to find out about your own self, period. However, do never be mistaken that the best for you is automatically is the best for others...personal preferences, sure.

Then we can take it up another level, let me say this, there are pros and cons in everything in this life, this world, this universe. Simply enough is that without one, there would be no other. So in the end, there is no bad things, and the pros or cons are assigned automatically to a person given circumstances, situations, scenarios.....etc.....

Umm...
What?
I mean, what to the whole post, but particularly this part.

I mean, I was looking for a pair of headphones to take on a holiday with me and I went to a shop that had headphones up to $500 on demo and I ended up liking a $127 pair best so I bought that one, so as I was trying to say in my earlier posts, price is not always the deciding factor in subjective enjoyment.

GENERALLY speaking though, the flagship headphones are the better ones. I mean, there are some I don't like, like the HD800 I hate and would prefer a much cheaper headphone more tuned more to my tastes, but GENERALLY speaking, I have found headphones in the several thousand dollar range to be better than headphones in the sub $1000 range when I have tried them. Not always, but GENERALLY. If I blind tested 100 headphones of varying price ranges and plotted my personal preference on a graph, I would say that the ones I liked the best would GENERALLY be more expensive. If you got 100 people to blind test the HE1 vs a HD600, I think GENERALLY they would prefer the HE1. For sure there would be some that didn't though.

If you don't agree then we will have to agree to disagree, and it just must be a really big coincidence that all the stuff you own and subjectively prefer is on on the more expensive side.

 

[raypin]

Mm...took the headphones apart. I wanted to see where the 10,000 angels reside......also, I wanted to clean the earpads and headband. OC. screw*** disease.

 

[Whitigir]

OMG, talk about stripping a Super Model...look at these Porns! Thank you! This is eyes watering satisfaction . Now, her amplifier