The Sennheiser Orpheus 2? A First Look At The Sennheiser HE-1 (The New Orpheus)

Mar 13, 2017 at 6:53 PM Post #2,071 of 2,930
  I found the tonality of the HE-1s pretty close to my SRX Plus/Stax SR007 MkII with port mod, which would decrease the cost further.

JimL11, would you estimate the HE-1 is way ahead on sound quality though, aside from similarities of character to the SRX/007 combo?
 
I will get to try the HE-1 at Can-Jam in London as I believe it will be there, and in that case I would take a few tunes on a USB I know very well, in the hope they let me listen to those.
 
My thoughts on the 009 and the various amps I have used it with, is the DAC also has a big impact on the final sound, and that has helped my get to my perceived ideal sound signature (finally).
The 009 can go the other way with some front ends and DACs as well IMO, a bit of a wild beast.
 
The HE-1 although probably incredible, will be the Sennheiser's take on how they think music in a headphone should sound. It is a pre-built solution as in DAC - Amp - HPs.
 
That may be perfect for many, and me as well, who knows? Until I hear it it is all speculation I guess. Regardless, I see the fact is is out there as a positive from the outages of folk who have heard it. Back at the start when they first announced the impending launch I was quite negative about it, partly as the price is off the scale. And now understanding the dev and workmanship involved I have changed my mind. The insane price seems less of a shock at time wears on.
 
Mar 13, 2017 at 7:38 PM Post #2,072 of 2,930
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Other DACs offering comparable or better performance will inflate the total obviously. But you get my drift. If money is an issue at all my view is go 009s.
 
However, if I had the money (discretionally cash) I would buy the HE-1 for sure, even though I imagine it is possibly only 'slightly' ahead of the best 009 setups.
TBH I am hoping that is the case, as IMO once you hear something really amazing in this hobby, you are ruined forever if you can't afford it!

 
Here my impressions of the Orpheus II listening session.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/786512/the-sennheiser-orpheus-2-a-first-look-at-the-sennheiser-he-1-the-new-orpheus/1905#post_12971254
 
At this level there is no objective all around "better" or "ahead", there is only a preference for your personal choice of music.
I heard it, it sounds nice, others might call it amazing
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It's slightly heavy, it get's warm, the sound stage gives me an between my ears / inside my head localization. I am happy with my HD800 set up.
 
Mar 13, 2017 at 8:17 PM Post #2,073 of 2,930
JimL11, would you estimate the HE-1 is way ahead on sound quality though, aside from similarities of character to the SRX/007 combo?

I will get to try the HE-1 at Can-Jam in London as I believe it will be there, and in that case I would take a few tunes on a USB I know very well, in the hope they let me listen to those.

My thoughts on the 009 and the various amps I have used it with, is the DAC also has a big impact on the final sound, and that has helped my get to my perceived ideal sound signature (finally).
The 009 can go the other way with some front ends and DACs as well IMO, a bit of a wild beast.

The HE-1 although probably incredible, will be the Sennheiser's take on how they think music in a headphone should sound. It is a pre-built solution as in DAC - Amp - HPs.

That may be perfect for many, and me as well, who knows? Until I hear it it is all speculation I guess. Regardless, I see the fact is is out there as a positive from the outages of folk who have heard it. Back at the start when they first announced the impending launch I was quite negative about it, partly as the price is off the scale. And now understanding the dev and workmanship involved I have changed my mind.The insane price seems less of a shock at time wears on.


the same could be said of any headphone manufacturer, including stax.

i found the negative reaction to the he-1 unreasonable.
 
Mar 13, 2017 at 8:23 PM Post #2,074 of 2,930
I think that the problem is perceived value, not raw prices.
The new Orpheus looks great, and is packed with solid engineering, is also a piece of history being the Orpheus successor, so I have no problem with the 55k price. Would I buy it? No, but its existence doesn't bother me.
However, Shangri-La costs the same and doesn't cause the same feelings to me, I perceive it as HE-1000 with a different color scheme.
 
Mar 13, 2017 at 9:05 PM Post #2,079 of 2,930
I own a about 50k or so in headphones.
Two stats and s few others and two planners all flagship
No stat I ever heard sounds like non stats do even the hd800
Stats have less body a side effect of speed
The new he1000 is nice but nothing like a stat
And I much prefer my he6 to them
I own a woo wes and bhse tubes galor
The he1 is true center pc in art of sound
It also is a big pride of ownership
Having heard not own the original Orpheus and
Little Orpheus that I own and stax 009.
The new he1 is a updated of the two senn stats
Nothing like a 007 and closer to a 009. The 007 is less detailed Ina direct A/B
But if you leave them on our brains fills in the missing details.
Senn headphones have more body and color compared to a 009
A hd800 is about 80 percent of the stax 009 but the hd800 has a bit more weight
As for real speaker sound the he6 rules this
I would be proud to own the he1 but I do think it's not worth the money if gauged purly on sound
Senn should be coming out with a lesser stat soon
That I would consider. No stat does a great stage and in fact only three headphones do staging better than the hd800
One is akg the next is the float by quad last and best is the float type headphone sorry I cannot think of the name
Someone posted a thread of it on here.
All can have there own views and this is good but what I just posted is mine
 
Mar 14, 2017 at 2:16 AM Post #2,080 of 2,930
  JimL11, would you estimate the HE-1 is way ahead on sound quality though, aside from similarities of character to the SRX/007 combo?

Well, there's a number of things you have to understand before I give an answer.  First, I am used to hearing live sound as I played the violin and piano as a kid, played in a children's orchestra, and restarted the piano again about 4 years ago.  Live sound in my experience varies - a lot.  Further, I do not consider myself a critical listener, and I am not a connoisseur of small differences.  Generally speaking when someone points out a difference to me I can hear it, but it's usually not a big deal to me. In other words, I probably tolerate (ignore?) small differences in sound more than many (most?) audiophiles, and don't really differentiate readily between pieces of equipment.  I am not a bass freak, a detail freak, and don't give a damn about sound staging.  The ONLY time in over 35 years of listening to hi fi systems I have ever had a "way ahead in sound quality" experience was the first time I heard Quad electrostatics, which I have owned since the 1980s.  BTW my first headphones were Stax SR-5s, which I still have.  I have heard TOTL speakers like the Infinity IRS, Apogees, Musicos and Avant Gardes, among others, and none of them impressed me over the Quads the way the Quads impressed me over anything I had heard before.  More bass, more highs, louder, yes.  Better, as in, more like live music?  Meh.  Frankly I think there is a lot of hype in high end audio (or as someone called it, hind end audio), and reviewers make a living exaggerating differences.  Here's the thing - Quads were introduced in 1955, cost around $1800/pair when they were discontinued, and when they are demonstrated at Hi Fi shows in the 2010s, they still make top ten best sounding room lists.  That says a lot about diminishing returns.  In my experience, nobody has broken the law of diminishing returns in audio, and nobody has ever produced a system that sounds like the real thing.  Especially true for headphones, since nobody has heard a real live orchestra in their head, or even around their head - no, sitting in an orchestra is NOTHING like listening to one on headphones.  My definition of, "way ahead in sound quality" means that I can notice a difference in the first minute, without straining to hear a difference or stopping to analyze it, and that has only happened to me once, so you probably see where this is going.
 
Finally, you have to remember that I only heard the HE-1 for about 15-20 minutes at the Sennheiser store in NYC, although I was allowed to use my own music on a USB stick, through Apple iTunes into the HE-1, presumably using its own DAC.  One weird effect of the HE-1s was that for whatever reason the soloist on one piece of music I tried was located toward the back of my head, which I have not heard with any other headphone. Since nobody else has noticed this presumably it was unique to me or the way I was wearing the headphones. Overall, however, I was not convinced that it was better than my comparatively modest set-up, which cost me less than $3000.  Honestly, at least during that relatively brief audition, there was nothing I heard on the HE-1s that I hadn't heard on mine, other than that weird placement of the soloist.  So to me, I'm not sure they sound even 5% better than what I have.  Law of diminishing returns, or in my case, maybe no returns.  Of course this is comparing my recollection of my system to the HE-1.  Possibly things might be different if I could do a direct A-B comparison.  Now, others may have a much different impression, which is fine.  But you seem to have your mind set on "these are really expensive so they are going to blow me away."  Well, maybe they will.  They didn't for me, but maybe I'm just hard to impress.  Or deaf.  Or senile.  Or all three.
 
Mar 14, 2017 at 4:32 AM Post #2,081 of 2,930
I was coming into the audition with negative feelings and prejudices. I was pretty much sure it's gonna suck and won't impress me. Didn't go quite as well 
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 We all hear differently 
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Mar 16, 2017 at 7:32 AM Post #2,082 of 2,930
Hey guys,
I had an opportunity to listen to HE-1 for one day at a local showroom, so I took a day off from work and listened to HE-1  for 6 hours straight, before that I listened to them for about 3 hours on Saturday.
 
It was among the best moments of my life for sure.
The second day when I listened to them I felt sooo relaxed and being well, my face was so bright, I didn't understand why - they really lifted my spirits that day.
I never heard so many details and in the same time so smooth and relaxing sounding, without piercing my ears.
I loved absolutely every second with it.
I also did a review in my mother tongue for this set, I don't know If I ever will listen to them again as the local showroom is sending them back next week.
Bravo Sennheiser!
I must admit I was very, very impressed!
 
Mar 16, 2017 at 8:58 AM Post #2,083 of 2,930
Mm..for me, my physical reaction was different: excitement, intense and 100% totally engaged, not with the equipment but with the music. And my HD800, 800S, Audeze 3F, Focal Utopia, Beyerdynamic 1.2, Ether O, HE 1000 and Grado PS 1000 can never replicate that 15 minutes of pure magic. Perhaps my Stax 009.....................nah.....Not a snowball's chance in hell....

My friend recorded my audition (without my prior knowledge). Having fun watching it....lol!
 
Mar 16, 2017 at 9:41 AM Post #2,084 of 2,930
Mm..for me, my physical reaction was different: excitement, intense and 100% totally engaged, not with the equipment but with the music. And my HD800, 800S, Audeze 3F, Focal Utopia, Beyerdynamic 1.2, Ether O, HE 1000 and Grado PS 1000 can never replicate that 15 minutes of pure magic. Perhaps my Stax 009.....................nah.....Not a snowball's chance in hell....

My friend recorded my audition (without my prior knowledge). Having fun watching it....lol!


I can't wait too hear it myself. Quck question, have you heard the 009s on a BHSE/T2 or Carbon? They play better and to a higher level with those amps IMO.
 
Mar 16, 2017 at 10:05 AM Post #2,085 of 2,930
I did. I wasn't that much of a fan of the 009 to be gin with though, so not sure how valuable my impressions are. The HE1 is smoother up top, better behaved, but it does detail, imagining and soundstage in a better, eerily realistic way (the 'materialization in thin air' phenomenon is what I called it). I was able to enjoy every track of mine to the fullest on the HE1, which certainly couldn't be said about the 009. Does that make the 009 more revealing and therefore better? Can't say I feel that way. Maybe if brutal clarity was something I needed as part of my job (though even as a composer, I am still more likely to grab the HE1 because something that's that level of brutally revealing doesn't jive that well with real life listening conditions either). I definitely enjoyed the HE1 a lot more, and the spot on smooth treble allowed me to focus on all the details it revealed easily. And I could still tell which tracks were mastered badly, just without ear murder. 
The 009 was one time fed from the BHSE, the other from a Stax tube amp.
But again, I belong to the camp who prefer tonalities of smoother estats to brutally revealing. I felt similarly about the Shangri-La (close to 009) I heard too, in case you heard that one
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I still consider HE1 the best world's best headphone.
 

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