The Reference 6SN7 Thread

Mar 8, 2022 at 2:55 PM Post #6,002 of 10,669
Mar 8, 2022 at 3:27 PM Post #6,003 of 10,669
My understanding the Treasure II variant is the Carbon grey glass which is marketed as more refined than the black.

So to be clear, I picked up the Psvane TII.
The same store I linked above for the Psvane TII "Classic Version" also list a slightly more expensive Psvane CV181-TII "Collection Version", from previous series Psvane sells a "factory select and matched" Collection version of their best tubes.

I'm not sure if a single tube from the "Collection version" is woth the extra, but if it is a select tube it might be worth a few more bucks.

Also, this Psvane series are called "Art Series", not Treasure - The Treasure name is used by Shuguang for many of their top tube models. Although I have seen US sellers mix up the naming in their listings, maybe they think the "-T" means Treasure?

The Psvane website doesn't mention "Treasure", they use "Classic", "Art", "Legend", and "Acme" Series naming:
http://www.psvane.com/Wap/en
Naming, versions aside, I'm very interested in what you think of your Psvane CV181-TII's; Thank you for sharing. :beerchug:
 
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Mar 8, 2022 at 3:37 PM Post #6,004 of 10,669
The same store I linked above for the Psvane TII "Classic Version" also list a slightly more expensive Psvane CV181-TII "Collection Version", from previous series Psvane sells a "factory select and matched" Collection version of their best tubes.

I'm not sure if a single tube from the "Collection version" is woth the extra, but if it is a select tube it might be worth a few more bucks.

Also, this Psvane series are called "Art Series", not Treasure - The Treasure name is used by Shuguang for many of their top tube models. Although I have seen US sellers mix up the naming in their listings, maybe they think the "-T" means Treasure?

The Psvane website doesn't mention "Treasure", they use "Classic", "Art", "Legend", and "Acme" Series naming:
http://www.psvane.com/Wap/en
Naming, versions aside, I'm very interested in what you think of your Psvane CV181-TII's; Thank you for sharing. :beerchug:
This is one area I dislike their convolution tactic.

Shuguang is Psvane for all purpose. Psvane is former Shuguang engineer team split by politics -- Psvane then bought Guiguang which carried previous Shuguang chief design engineer.

So these variants are all the same relative tube with pixie dust. I do believe grey glass vs black glass sound characteristic difference exist.
Their marketing is strong. The Collection Version is just screened high grade testing.

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/psv...tion-of-different-models.693209/post-10077503
 
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Mar 8, 2022 at 4:19 PM Post #6,005 of 10,669
This is one area I dislike their convolution tactic.

Shuguang is Psvane for all purpose. Psvane is former Shuguang engineer team split by politics -- Psvane then bought Guiguang which carried previous Shuguang chief design engineer.

So these variants are all the same relative tube with pixie dust. I do believe grey glass vs black glass sound characteristic difference exist.
Their marketing is strong. The Collection Version is just screened high grade testing.

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/psv...tion-of-different-models.693209/post-10077503
I really appreciate that summary you linked from back in 2013, from a Psvane employee, it is very helpful.

And, thank you to funn chen (Member of the Trade: PSVANE Tube).
It doesn't look like he posted anything else...or it was removed, he has more "Likes" than Posts that are showing...
Shuguang Classic Grade CV181-Z
Shuguang Premium Grade CV181-Z

Premium grade tube is better than classic grade tube (In the parameters, appearance, packing ect.)

From the end of 2012, shuguang treasures tube(new version) is no longer doing grading treatment, so, shuguang treasure premium grade tube is Relatively rare in the market. At present, there is a new company is doing this work(www.elecdol.com).

Psvane team come from Shuguang, psvane T series is similar shuguang treasure series, black bottle, it have premium and classic grade.

Psvane treasure mk2 is improved on the basis of the psvane treasures tubes, it is gray bottle, also have premium and classic grade.
elecdol.com domain was freed in 2017: https://www.justdropped.com/drops/082817com.html
There is a twitter remanent: https://twitter.com/elecdol
An old youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYTUbm3ns4QHvI2uFyg2_9g

The Aliexpress stores like the one I linked advertise matching tubes in pairs, quads, octals, and show equipment capable of doing so. It was nice to get the Psvane 12AU7-S "Collection" Matched pair boxed with the measurement cards showing they were matched. No need for matched tube pairs with the TA-26, only 1 tube needed.

And, I've been wondering about this Globe Tube from PSVANE too, I noticed it has "oldchen" in the name and written on the tube envelope!, funn chen? :

PSVANE CV181-SE Vacuum Tube HIFI EXQUIS Special Customized oldchen CV181 Equivalent 6N8P 6H8C 6SN7 Matched Pair
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32853013485.html

"Silver plate glass same quality than PSVANE cv181 mark TII"

There is also an "oldchen" populated "oldchen" preamplifier, but the title calls it a Laochen?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001836940250.html

There are more than a few variants of less expensive Psvane 6SN7 labeled versions of this tube, without "oldchen" or the same Grey Silver envelope. One has a Black coating and the other has a "Silver Reflective" coating. I've also seen Psvane 6SN7 Globe tubes, with relabeled Linlai 6SN7 versions and blue envelope versions.

I wonder how the "oldchen" CV-181-SE sounds? And, I wonder if that Globe will fit in the TA-26 recessed socket. :ksc75smile:
 
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Mar 8, 2022 at 5:55 PM Post #6,006 of 10,669
So I have some new tubes to try out. These came with a Schiit Saga Plus but for now I'm going to try them in my Schiit Lyr 3. I don't have an amp to pair with my Saga Plus yet.
 

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Mar 8, 2022 at 7:09 PM Post #6,008 of 10,669
I really appreciate that summary you linked from back in 2013, from a Psvane, it is very helpful.

And, thank you to funn chen (Member of the Trade: PSVANE Tube).
It doesn't look like he posted anything else...or it was removed, he has more "Likes" than Posts that are showing...

elecdol.com domain was freed in 2017: https://www.justdropped.com/drops/082817com.html
There is a twitter remanent: https://twitter.com/elecdol

The Aliexpress stores like the one I linked advertise matching tubes in pairs, quads, octals, and show equipment capable of doing so. It was nice to get the Psvane 12AU7-S "Collection" Matched pair boxed with the measurement cards showing they were matched. No need for matched tube pairs with the TA-26, only 1 tube needed.

And, I've been wondering about this Globe Tube from PSVANE too, I noticed it has "oldchen" in the name and written on the tube envelope!, funn chen? :

PSVANE CV181-SE Vacuum Tube HIFI EXQUIS Special Customized oldchen CV181 Equivalent 6N8P 6H8C 6SN7 Matched Pair
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32853013485.html

"Silver plate glass same quality than PSVANE cv181 mark TII"

There is also an "oldchen" populated "oldchen" preamplifier, but the title calls it a Laochen?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001836940250.html

There are 2 less expensive Psvane labeled versions of this tube, without "oldchen" or the same Grey Silver envelope. One has a Black coating and the other has a "Silver Reflective" coating. I've also seen Psvane 6SN7 Globe tubes, with relabeled Linlai 6SN7 versions and blue envelope versions.

I wonder how the "oldchen" CV-181-SE sounds? And, I wonder if that Globe will fit in the TA-26 recessed socket. :ksc75smile:
I read the SE compares competitively to the TII although the listener preferred the latter. Same for the Shuguang CV181-Z. I may look at the SE a little later but first I'll feel out if the TII is something I enjoy. It is nice to confirm from Grant Fidelity the authenticity, I also saw the relabeled Linlai which gave me some pause and I've seen truckloads of weird tennis ball variants which furthered trepidation. I'm unsure what the oldchen refers to but perhaps it's a custom contract similar to the David Shaw variant.
Is the silver reflective the same you saw as the carbon greys?
 
Mar 8, 2022 at 8:12 PM Post #6,009 of 10,669
I read the SE compares competitively to the TII although the listener preferred the latter. Same for the Shuguang CV181-Z. I may look at the SE a little later but first I'll feel out if the TII is something I enjoy. It is nice to confirm from Grant Fidelity the authenticity, I also saw the relabeled Linlai which gave me some pause and I've seen truckloads of weird tennis ball variants which furthered trepidation. I'm unsure what the oldchen refers to but perhaps it's a custom contract similar to the David Shaw variant.
Is the silver reflective the same you saw as the carbon greys?
What made me think it might be a honorific naming from someone at Psvane or Shuguang was because there are no "plain" Psvane Globe CV181 variants, SE or otherwise, other than the "oldchen" SE variant and the "oldchen" tube is also labeled "made by Psvane". There are no other "Globe" variants of the CV181-TII, that I've found:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32853013485.html
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There are 6SN7 "globe" variants, here is the one with a "shiny" coating:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000400863733.html
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But, after I saw the "oldchen" equipment - there are more than that preamplifier, I also think that it must be a contract with Psvane and they've secured a cool CV181-TII variant as the "oldchen" CV181-SE, pretty cool for them :)
If anyone decides to get one of those "cool" Globe variants, please let us know how they sound, and fit in your amplifier. :beerchug:

Update: I checked on the Psvane company website, and did a search on the CV181-SE, and there was nothing found, so it looks like a contract job and not a Psvane core model:
http://www.psvane.com/Wap/channel/search/l/en
 
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Mar 8, 2022 at 8:23 PM Post #6,011 of 10,669
What made me think it might be a honorific naming from someone at Psvane or Shuguang was because there are no "plain" Psvane Globe CV181 variants, SE or otherwise, other than the "oldchen" SE variant and the "oldchen" tube is also labeled "made by Psvane". There are no other "Globe" variants of the CV181-TII, that I've found:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32853013485.html
1646788494127.png

There are 6SN7 "globe" variants, here is the one with a "shiny" coating:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000400863733.html
1646788128453.png

But, after I saw the "oldchen" equipment - there are more than that preamplifier, I also think that it must be a contract with Psvane and they've secured a cool CV181-TII variant as the "oldchen" CV181-SE, pretty cool for them :)
Please let us know how they sound, and fit in your amplifier. :beerchug:

Update: I checked on the Psvane company website, and did a search on the CV181-SE, and there was nothing found, so it looks like a contract job and not a Psvane core model:
http://www.psvane.com/Wap/channel/search/l/en
I dunno. That bottom one looks like they just glued a tube base to a Xmas tree ornament
 
Mar 8, 2022 at 8:31 PM Post #6,013 of 10,669
Mar 8, 2022 at 8:33 PM Post #6,014 of 10,669
Looks like you might have a 6SL7 in there. Check that oval plate RCA meatball logo tube…

What am I looking for? Also the JAN one next to it does not have a centre pin. Is that an issue?
 
Mar 8, 2022 at 8:40 PM Post #6,015 of 10,669

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