The Opamp thread

Oct 22, 2009 at 11:21 AM Post #1,426 of 7,456
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Originally Posted by LuciferX /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Hahha you found a 2132 substitute, but i need a 1364 one !
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I don't think it'd exist....find someone living outside SA, order some for them and get them shipped back or sumthing.

anyway, the 827 is fantastic in binaural downmixed movies
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Oct 23, 2009 at 11:55 AM Post #1,428 of 7,456
so everyone's stopped messing around?
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I like how they describe the 1364 on this forum: Google Translate
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LT1364 is just like what you say and make a glossy or colored umbrella. Vocals is just out in front is just right.


I'm tempted to try 4*OPA827 + 2*1028/1363...but the OPA Moon/Earth will replace the last buffer anyway, and I don't think any IC would crush them? so it boils down to 4*1363/1028 + 1*Moon/Earth I think
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but 2*LT1364CN8(as DAC buffer)+2*OPA827AID(as final buffer) is a great combo anyway
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Oct 23, 2009 at 1:31 PM Post #1,429 of 7,456
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Originally Posted by SpudHarris /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Seems as though we are pretty much all agreed, the OPA827 is indeed a fine Opamp. I only ordered 2 at the time so must get another few to try elsewhere.


I wanted to ask you more about the biasing of the 827's. What were your results?
You had mentioned you didn't like the results?
Can you elaborate a bit more, what were you hearing when they were biased?
I figured this procedure would be like anything else, would work great with some opamps yet might decrease the sound quality in other units.

I am waiting for my new components shipment so I haven't been able to bias them for my own testing. Looking forward to testing though...
 
Oct 25, 2009 at 12:10 PM Post #1,430 of 7,456
Well I've found that the more modern Opamps don't benefit from this type of biasing, in fact I find that it has a negative effect on some, it has been noted that being so modern that they are Optimised for performance already and I tend to agree with this most of the time, there is certain types of distortion that can sound sweet or different in a good sense. However, the negative effect to my ears seems to be similar in most, the only way I can describe it is that music seems to lose a certain amount of body and resolution it becomes too airy, detail is there but seems far away. These are only my findings and they are based on my P3+ with lossless tunes and JH13's. By the way the OPA827's are still my weapon of choice, there is a definate synergie now with my JH13's (with Null Audion Enyo Silver Cable).
 
Oct 25, 2009 at 5:53 PM Post #1,431 of 7,456
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Originally Posted by SpudHarris /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Well I've found that the more modern Opamps don't benefit from this type of biasing, in fact I find that it has a negative effect on some, it has been noted that being so modern that they are Optimised for performance already and I tend to agree with this most of the time, there is certain types of distortion that can sound sweet or different in a good sense. However, the negative effect to my ears seems to be similar in most, the only way I can describe it is that music seems to lose a certain amount of body and resolution it becomes too airy, detail is there but seems far away. These are only my findings and they are based on my P3+ with lossless tunes and JH13's. By the way the OPA827's are still my weapon of choice, there is a definate synergie now with my JH13's (with Null Audion Enyo Silver Cable).


Yes, the 827's sounds pretty good from my tests. Actually, I have been testing them since their release as you probably have.
Maybe the biasing would work better on older modules as you say the newer units offer different and more optimized circuits. I still want to do the testing but I will work with some of the older units.
 
Oct 26, 2009 at 5:19 AM Post #1,433 of 7,456
Finally got around to testing AD797, mostly comparing 2 x AD797ANZ (on BrownDog 021001) with 2 x OPA211 (on BrownDog 020302) and OPA2211A (on BrownDog 970601) and LM49722MA (soldered onto DIP socket). I was testing all of these parts in the output stage of my (highly modded) Eden Highwayman bass amplifier. The input section uses OPA827s and OPA211s. The EQ section was bypassed during testing. The preamp section employs +/- 16V power rails.

My quick impressions are that AD797 sounds relatively clean and neutral, though a bit darker than OPA211/2211A. It's a bit hard to describe, as it doesn't really sound veiled, just lacking in "sparkle" in the highs. Although I haven't done a proper comparison, I'd say that they are more neutral than the AD825 (which I initially liked, but later found a bit too colored, as they seemed to suck out the mids somewhat, boosting bass and treble). Sort of "clear and a bit dark" if that makes any sense....

Although I didn't notice it in previous testing, I found that the pair of single OPA211s sounded somewhat clearer than the dual OPA2211A, which sounded somewhat more distant and less authoritative. Definitely prefer 2 x OPA211.

From a limited comparison, I found that the LM49722 is somewhat better than LM4562 (cleaner/less colored), though lacked some of the openness found in the OPA211/2211A. Maybe less sterile than LM4562, too. I do like the clarity of the midrange of the LM49722, however.

Still have more listening to do with LME49860NA (which I listened to briefly), and ADA4898-1 (when new BrownDog adapters arrive). Quick impression was that LME49722 was superior to LME49860.

From the charts above, it appears the the OPA-Moon generates a significant amount of harmonic distortion.... which might make it sound "tubey" to some....
 
Oct 26, 2009 at 12:57 PM Post #1,435 of 7,456
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Originally Posted by 12Bass /img/forum/go_quote.gif
From the charts above, it appears the the OPA-Moon generates a significant amount of harmonic distortion.... which might make it sound "tubey" to some....


well, if inexistent THD means LM49722'ish sound: whiney trebles, anemic bass, dull & wide SS....I'll take a "tubey" op-amp anytime of the day
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apparently getting good bass response means getting harmonic distortion...tube amps have high distortion, yet they still seem to be unmatched for euphonic listening.

but well, if I had seen these charts before I prolly wouldn't have ordered the Moon...OTOH my hopes towards the Earth(OEM version of the old burson) are rather high.
 
Oct 26, 2009 at 1:15 PM Post #1,436 of 7,456
Have one LME49710NA here, but no HA of any kind. They were too pricey from Digi-Key last time I made an order.

Not sure about "whiney trebles".... that comment makes me wonder about possible instability in that particular application. I've found some of the LM/LME series to be a bit on the sterile side, but nothing I would describe as "whiney". Or maybe the vocabulary is different?

IMO, harmonic distortion is not necessary for good bass response.... if anything, it adds high frequency content over top of the fundamentals... though 2nd harmonic distortion might add some pleasing overtones and may sound thicker to some ears. Then again, I suspect that our tonal goals are different, as I tend to prefer transparency over euphonic coloration, and have found the OPA2132 too colored for my taste.

The circuit I'm using to test (in the Eden) is set up with low input impedance and a gain of 3-4, has supply bypassing, as well as 10 pF capacitors in the feedback loop, so it should be stable with most op amps.
 
Oct 26, 2009 at 1:33 PM Post #1,437 of 7,456
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Originally Posted by 12Bass /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Have one LME49710NA here, but no HA of any kind. They were too pricey from Digi-Key last time I made an order.

Not sure about "whiney trebles".... that comment makes me wonder about possible instability in that particular application. I've found some of the LM/LME series to be a bit on the sterile side, but nothing I would describe as "whiney". Or maybe the vocabulary is different?

IMO, harmonic distortion is not necessary for good bass response.... if anything, it adds high frequency content over top of the fundamentals... though 2nd harmonic distortion might add some pleasing overtones and may sound thicker to some ears. Then again, I suspect that our tonal goals are different, as I tend to prefer transparency over euphonic coloration, and have found the OPA2132 too colored for my taste.

The circuit I'm using to test (in the Eden) is set up with low input impedance and a gain of 3-4, has supply bypassing, as well as 10 pF capacitors in the feedback loop, so it should be stable with most op amps.



There are quite a few guys here now that are using the LME49710HA. The HA models sound different to me and to those that have tested.
Not too many here have tested these, as in a dual channel application the adapters are not readily available.
I am pretty sure the 710 is cheaper then the 720 from Digikey...
I test lots of opamps though, seems like I am always testing something new or old...like most of the opamps collectors here. I just mentioning the 710HA as it gets overlooked by some and it is a great unit.
I have made test units for associates and asked for their opinions and in every case they have been positive.

As for your other testing, I have only tried the 211's. I like those ones personally.
 
Oct 26, 2009 at 1:37 PM Post #1,438 of 7,456
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Originally Posted by 12Bass /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I've found some of the LM/LME series to be a bit on the sterile side, but nothing I would describe as "whiney".


well I'm using headphones, and because of ear resonances I prolly need dark chips...the LME serie is very bright IME.
 
Oct 26, 2009 at 1:47 PM Post #1,439 of 7,456
not sure if I should ask this here, but I'm kinda looking for an opamp or topkit to pair with the iBasso D10s and my IE8s.

would anyone have any input? I've been told to look at HiFlight's AD8599s paired with AD8616 or the TLE2141 class-A
 
Oct 26, 2009 at 2:06 PM Post #1,440 of 7,456
That combo recommended by Hiflight would probably suit the SS of the IE8's but the TLE2141 even in class A is far from great (IMO), there are much better Opamps around. Your best bet is to get on the D10 rolling thread if you've not already been there or indeed the P3 / P3+ threads, there are some great recommendations there. Personally, I've been rolling and rolling and rolling and settled with the OPA827's in L/R. They are kinda warm which may not be the best pairing for the IE8's but that said they do have detail in spades also.
 

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