[Maelob]

We can't, but we can hopefully have several more Z1Rs' measured here on Jude's rig, including Tyll's. At least that would put the idea of production variation to rest.

And vice versa- would like to see same Headphones measures on Tylls equipment- I have a feeling there is a variation on measuring equipment

 

[Maelob]

i think there is a problem when z1r owners attack and attempt to discredit a reviewer for writing a critical review about it. if tyll were to allow considerations such as the affect that his reviews might have on the prospective sales of a headphone to influence what he writes, then his credibility as a reviewer would be compromised and that would be doing consumers a disservice imo.

and to favour a set of headphone measurements because they differ from tyll's and look more flattering of the z1r is misguided. objective measurements should be used to take the subjective bias out of the argument rather than misused to support it.

But that's why lab equipment is calibrated and certified so people can recreate experiments no matter where

 

[up late]

sure

 

[thatonenoob]

But that's why lab equipment is calibrated and certified so people can recreate experiments no matter where

Yes....?

 

[EDN80]

i think there is a problem when z1r owners attack and attempt to discredit a reviewer for writing a critical review about it. if tyll were to allow considerations such as the affect that his reviews might have on the prospective sales of a headphone to influence what he writes, then his credibility as a reviewer would be compromised and that would be doing consumers a disservice imo.

and to favour a set of headphone measurements because they differ from tyll's and look more flattering of the z1r is misguided. objective measurements should be used to take the subjective bias out of the argument rather than misused to support it.

The one discredit here is to mockingly disparage a $2300 pair of headphones and provocatively call it no better than a $120 unit. How credible is that? And yes, I welcome all measurements. Not just Tyll's.

 

[up late]

The one discredit here is to mockingly disparage a $2300 pair of headphones and provocatively call it no better than a $120 unit. How credible is that? And yes, I welcome all measurements. Not just Tyll's.

you're exaggerating. tyll didn't "mockingly disparage" the z1r in the review that i read and nor did he say that it was "no better than a $120 unit". he did prefer to listen to the ath-m50x, however. and you didn't welcome his k812 measurements or the critical commentary about them in the thread as I recall.

 

[Maelob]

Good to see the collaboration between Tyll and Jude- I am sure we will get to the bottom of this measurements issue. Good proper scientific method lol- it is a win win - I am very curious for the results- is it the Headphones or is it the measuring techniques or equipment? Or both

 

[DigMe]

Why was it only Tyll called out when so many other sources have come up with the same measurements?

 

[PeteSTRADAMUS]

The smoke will make the bass dirty

Yes the smoke will make them have that little extra oomph lol.

 

[thatonenoob]

Yes the smoke will make them have that little extra oomph lol.

Live like you wanna live - Chuck berry.

 

[thatonenoob]

Can we please do smaller photos.....thxs

 

[greggf]

I just received my second pair of Z1R. Thank you, Jason of TSAV. I sold my previous pair and have missed them ever since.

I listened to bits and pieces of the 53 CD Mercury Living Presence Box Set 3 and to bits and pieces of the 60 CD Vivarte Vol. 2 box set.

The "dark" Sony Z1R makes these bright classical CDs listenable and pleasurable. The (much "better" measuring) HD800S makes them painful and useless.

You know what you can do with your measurements.

 

[Treeko]

^^^ I'm glad your enjoying your headphones.

 

[greggf]

Treeko, thank you.

 

[up late]

I just received my second pair of Z1R. Thank you, Jason of TSAV. I sold my previous pair and have missed them ever since.

I listened to bits and pieces of the 53 CD Mercury Living Presence Box Set 3 and to bits and pieces of the 60 CD Vivarte Vol. 2 box set.

The "dark" Sony Z1R makes these bright classical CDs listenable and pleasurable. The (much "better" measuring) HD800S makes them painful and useless.

You know what you can do with your measurements.

yes, continue reading them with interest and enjoying headphones