[iFi audio]

For me it's also a problem that you are a representative of one of the manufacturers (I like iFi products and I have/had a few and I don't have a problem with the company) so you have a stake in this.

Well, although I represent just one company, every now and then I explain how things look like from the manufacturer's perspective and that's all there is to it really

when the prices go down you should expect that they'll lower the price of the product.

To have that conversation, manufacturing costs would have to actually go down first. Ever since joining the industry some 15 years ago I haven't seen that yet. Even if one manufacturing technology becomes more affordable from one year to another, other things still go up and every now and then global events increase these costs more than usually. Everyone adapts to these expenses the best they can and this goes way beyond audio.

Yes but if you don't know the cost of the device then you must believe that the product is priced accordingly. But you don't know if they add for example 50% to the price just becasue they can.

I hear you and indeed I don't know that, but as a customer I can decide whether this suits me or not by voting with my wallet. This applies to everything we buy, so if you feel that Enleum is overpriced, it's your choice to see it that way. It's all good

Yes, a $6,25k device has a rubber waffles because the manufacturer didn't think about it.

It's actually thoughtful what they did, but to understand that here's some broader context for you. I'm not sure how much you know about decoupling methods in audio, but Enleum pucks don't incorporate any springy materials by design. Many audiophiles won't put their products on anything bouncy (silicone, rubber, springs etc.) for reasons related to sound as they like hard anti-vibration devices more (ball-bearings, wood etc.). That's why many Enleum customers (mainly speaker guys) won't even use silicone rings provided with the product, while those who want to have it more stable can use those silicone pads. It's about choices really.

Thanks for the civilized conversation btw.!

 

[OnlySoMany]

Not to revive a very old thread, but I wanted to add additional insight as someone who owns both the Niimbus US4+ and the Enleum 23R amplifiers.

Niimbus - Slightly warm, smooth as silk, tons of reserve power. Music feels effortless and powerful, can make almost anything sound great. It reminds me of the Naim "house sound", but even more fluid and clear.

Enleum - A bit colder, a bit more accurate, a bit more focused. This amp seems to be more focused on the little details, and it does take some getting used to. It's not bad at all, but I do find that for relaxing music sessions I prefer the Niimbus more. When I am wanting a more accurate listening experience, I will use the Enleum. Not to say that the Niimbus isn't accurate, it just doesn't seem to be its primary focus over everything else.

Visually I prefer the Niimbus, but that is subjective to the end user. IMO, it looks more like a $5K+ amplifier. It also offers XLR input and output, whereas the Enluem is 6.3mm output and RCA input.

Hopefully that will help anyone who is considering the two.

 

[vonBaron]

Not to revive a very old thread, but I wanted to add additional insight as someone who owns both the Niimbus US4+ and the Enleum 23R amplifiers.

Niimbus - Slightly warm, smooth as silk, tons of reserve power. Music feels effortless and powerful, can make almost anything sound great. It reminds me of the Naim "house sound", but even more fluid and clear.

Enleum - A bit colder, a bit more accurate, a bit more focused. This amp seems to be more focused on the little details, and it does take some getting used to. It's not bad at all, but I do find that for relaxing music sessions I prefer the Niimbus more. When I am wanting a more accurate listening experience, I will use the Enleum. Not to say that the Niimbus isn't accurate, it just doesn't seem to be its primary focus over everything else.

Visually I prefer the Niimbus, but that is subjective to the end user. IMO, it looks more like a $5K+ amplifier. It also offers XLR input and output, whereas the Enluem is 6.3mm output and RCA input.

Hopefully that will help anyone who is considering the two.

What? For what i hear they are exactly opposite. 23r price is big joke...

 

[orrman]

Slightly warm, smooth as silk,

First time I hear this about the nimbus
tbh this is the most contradicting description I've read of it and I also think quite the opposite about our Enleum experiences.

 

[Roasty]

First time I hear this about the nimbus
tbh this is the most contradicting description I've read of it and I also think quite the opposite about our Enleum experiences.

I share the same thoughts as u.. perhaps he had them mixed up? my impressions were the exact opposite of what he wrote.

 

[iFi audio]

Enleum - A bit colder, a bit more accurate, a bit more focused.

Most reviewers agree on accuracy, focus and speed of that amp (Exicon lateral MOSFETs do that), but also describe it as tube-like on color (Exicons have tube-like characteristic) and very smooth. Hope this helps, thanks!

 

[OnlySoMany]

Most reviewers agree on accuracy, focus and speed of that amp (Exicon lateral MOSFETs do that), but also describe it as tube-like on color (Exicons have tube-like characteristic) and very smooth. Hope this helps, thanks!

Totally agree on the speed and focus. I probably should have added to my post that I have only had the Enleum for a week, and have had the Niimbus for months. I do standby the statements made. Niimbus still feels a bit more relaxed, with the Enleum feels very on its toes. Very fast and focused. Both are great though!!!!

I just ordered a set of Transparent Ultra RCA cables, as using a better set of XLR on Niimbus (Cardas Clear) may have influenced how they sounded (Transparent Musiclink Super).

 

[Mike Hughes]

Appears we’re now on V3 according to 6moons so the version reviewed by Convincemeaudio looks increasingly like an anomalous or faulty unit given the further 6moons description.

 

[kion]

Appears we’re now on V3 according to 6moons so the version reviewed by Convincemeaudio looks increasingly like an anomalous or faulty unit given the further 6moons description.

Where can I find the mention of V3 on their site?

 

[GoldenSound]

I'm doing a bit of further testing on the 23R at the moment and wanted to share this in case it might save someone's headphones:

If you have a 23R (or possibly 13R), only ever adjust the volume control SLOWLY!!

The 23R has an issue where it will have a DC offset that increases when you adjust volume, and slowly resets to 0. The faster you adjust it, the more DC you'll get.
This means that if you have it up high for example, and then suddenly turn the volume to minimum, you might kill your headphones.

Turning quickly from 12 o clock to minimum I got upto 0.6V DC offset. And when turning from 0 to max or vice versa I got up to almost 1.4V DC offset. Which takes several seconds to go back down.
This could damage many headphones. So if you have this amp, please be a little careful and don't adjust the volume too quickly.

 

[catac]

I'm doing a bit of further testing on the 23R at the moment and wanted to share this in case it might save someone's headphones:

If you have a 23R (or possibly 13R), only ever adjust the volume control SLOWLY!!

The 23R has an issue where it will have a DC offset that increases when you adjust volume, and slowly resets to 0. The faster you adjust it, the more DC you'll get.
This means that if you have it up high for example, and then suddenly turn the volume to minimum, you might kill your headphones.

Turning quickly from 12 o clock to minimum I got upto 0.6V DC offset. And when turning from 0 to max or vice versa I got up to almost 1.4V DC offset. Which takes several seconds to go back down.
This could damage many headphones. So if you have this amp, please be a little careful and don't adjust the volume too quickly.

@GoldenOne are so kind to check:
- when shutting down the amp, assuming that the volume is not set to zero, it will automatically (motorised) move the volume to 0?
- when plugging the headphones, the volume will automatically (motorised) move to the last volume value for the headphones output?

Thank you!

 

[Mike Hughes]

Where can I find the mention of V3 on their site?

See https://6moons.com/audioreview_articles/enleum-amp-23-redux/.

I'm doing a bit of further testing on the 23R at the moment and wanted to share this in case it might save someone's headphones:

If you have a 23R (or possibly 13R), only ever adjust the volume control SLOWLY!!

The 23R has an issue where it will have a DC offset that increases when you adjust volume, and slowly resets to 0. The faster you adjust it, the more DC you'll get.
This means that if you have it up high for example, and then suddenly turn the volume to minimum, you might kill your headphones.

Turning quickly from 12 o clock to minimum I got upto 0.6V DC offset. And when turning from 0 to max or vice versa I got up to almost 1.4V DC offset. Which takes several seconds to go back down.
This could damage many headphones. So if you have this amp, please be a little careful and don't adjust the volume too quickly.

And the impact on speakers?

 

[kion]

@GoldenOne Are you going to do a review at some point? I think a segment showing the DC change as the volume changes would be very interesting/useful so we can get a sense how slow we must be. I'm sure it will get many views!

 

[alxw0w]

I'm doing a bit of further testing on the 23R at the moment and wanted to share this in case it might save someone's headphones:

If you have a 23R (or possibly 13R), only ever adjust the volume control SLOWLY!!

The 23R has an issue where it will have a DC offset that increases when you adjust volume, and slowly resets to 0. The faster you adjust it, the more DC you'll get.
This means that if you have it up high for example, and then suddenly turn the volume to minimum, you might kill your headphones.

Turning quickly from 12 o clock to minimum I got upto 0.6V DC offset. And when turning from 0 to max or vice versa I got up to almost 1.4V DC offset. Which takes several seconds to go back down.
This could damage many headphones. So if you have this amp, please be a little careful and don't adjust the volume too quickly.

LOL

 

[orrman]

I'm doing a bit of further testing on the 23R at the moment and wanted to share this in case it might save someone's headphones:

If you have a 23R (or possibly 13R), only ever adjust the volume control SLOWLY!!

The 23R has an issue where it will have a DC offset that increases when you adjust volume, and slowly resets to 0. The faster you adjust it, the more DC you'll get.
This means that if you have it up high for example, and then suddenly turn the volume to minimum, you might kill your headphones.

Turning quickly from 12 o clock to minimum I got upto 0.6V DC offset. And when turning from 0 to max or vice versa I got up to almost 1.4V DC offset. Which takes several seconds to go back down.
This could damage many headphones. So if you have this amp, please be a little careful and don't adjust the volume too quickly.

Enleum has responded, I don't have the technical knowledge to pick a side in this just thought I'd share.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cl3X_YWS7jt/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=