The "mod your Zhalou" Thread

Apr 19, 2007 at 6:17 PM Post #1,741 of 2,143
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Originally Posted by udo /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Probably.
I.e.: disconnect the analog signal from the DAC chip (at the zapfilter...) and connect postive and negative inputs to ground for both channels on the Zapfilter.



If there is no hum after shorting the inputs, does it prove that it is a ground problem?
 
Apr 21, 2007 at 4:28 PM Post #1,742 of 2,143
I just thought I'd give my impressions of my recently acquired Ori Modded Zhaolu D2.0 AD1852.

To be honest I thought that the D2.0 AD1852 with LM4562s were great and seriously didn't think that music could get any better than this. After acquiring my Heed Canamp the K701s truly shone and I began to feel limited by my DAC. I felt the itch for a source upgrade, the Zhaolu is tremendous value though, and I'd heard how much the discrete output improved the sound, Oritek or Zapfilter.

I wanted to take a plunge but I'm not patient or handy enough to zapfilter my own DAC but heard many wonderful things about Ori's discrete output stage for the Zhaolus. That and Ori's contribution to the Zhaolu mod thread as well as his engineering capabilities truly stood out to me from this and various other threads. Expense had a small part in it, the Zapfilter is $400 here in Aus, so it worked out cheaper even after shipping to go with Ori, even though I don't think that the Oritek Zhaolu has gone head to head with a Zapfiltered Zhaolu, the Oritek seemed like the best choice.

Anyhow, I didn't quite know what I didn't like about my old DAC. Just that I had cleared out a fair bit of equipment, and had some spare money so thought what the hell.

Boy was I wrong about it not making a difference. It must be heard to be believed, it's hard to describe, but I will try. Unfortunately I had never had much exposure to vinyl, as I am quite young and growing up it was all CDs, CDs and CDs. To be honest I couldn't hear any of this "harshness" or "digital" sound that people describe from opamps. But then again I hadn't been spoiled or exposed to this better sounding gear... and maybe it would have been for the better. It's too late now.

I really didn't understand what that sound was until I heard it is supposed to be a very analog sound (as described by others with the Oritek Zhaolu). I heard my music flowing easier and less congested and it's in the more complex passages or extreme ends of treble and bass that this DAC truly shines.

To put it as simply or as the only way I know how, the music sounds smoother and more continuous, it really doesn't sound like it is struggling to output. An analogy comes to mind - think of a flowing river that must move a certain amount of water within a certain period of time. Imaging that there is also a bottleneck somewhere in the middle, the water must continue moving however as it passes through that passage it must greatly increase in speed and come out on the other end very abruptly or worse still it will overflow there and spill on to the bank. In complex passages it sounds like the music is constipated on my Zhaolu with opamps and is overflowing all over the place, on less complex passages it sounds like it's still making it through but like it's very rushed and is affected by this bottleneck. Sorry about the lengthy illustrations but it's the best way I feel I can describe what I'm hearing.

Also think of how flowing water sounds, very peaceful amd sppthomg, but if it goes over rocks or as above goes through a bottleneck and/or overflows sounds a bit more violent and not as serene but sometimes disturbing.

I believe it could also be my recent amp upgrade that has made this new enlightenment possible. The difference is very clear on both my dynamic amps (heed canamp and ming da mc66-ae) but I feel it is most beneficial on the heed canamp. I probably wouldn't say it's more detailed but more natural presentation of the same information, however I will soon hook it up to my lambda pros/srm-1 mk2 and this will be a true test of its detail recovery and somehow I have no doubts that it will deliver there too.

For anyone with the means and the upstream equipment, I really can't hesitate to recommend Ori's discrete output stage. The difference is simply amazing and Ori is an absolute pleasure to deal with and very knowledgeable and stands by his product - with good reason. I am very pleased with this DAC and can well and truly say that my upgraditis has been remedied, at least for now. But if those earlier shootouts between discrete Zhaolus and other big name DACs hold true I don't see myself upgrading this until I win the lottery or get a huge payrise
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Apr 21, 2007 at 5:26 PM Post #1,743 of 2,143
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Originally Posted by SonicDawg /img/forum/go_quote.gif
If there is no hum after shorting the inputs, does it prove that it is a ground problem?


I think it shows that the hum is coming from outside of the Zapfilter.
(even with floating inputs the silence is hum-less?)
 
Apr 21, 2007 at 10:58 PM Post #1,744 of 2,143
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Originally Posted by udo /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I think it shows that the hum is coming from outside of the Zapfilter.
(even with floating inputs the silence is hum-less?)



I tried shorting the inputs this morning, and the hum seems to persist in SE mode.
 
Apr 22, 2007 at 12:05 PM Post #1,745 of 2,143
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Originally Posted by SonicDawg /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I tried shorting the inputs this morning, and the hum seems to persist in SE mode.


What exactly did you do?
 
Apr 22, 2007 at 4:05 PM Post #1,746 of 2,143
Fun description d-cee. I'm myself thinking of upgrading my Zhaolud D2.5A to include a discrete analog stage with the Zapfilter, but I hadn't considered the Ori mod. I'm not sure if it's available for the D2.5A though.

If anything, this gives me a better idea of what to expect if I go down the Oriway
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Apr 22, 2007 at 4:24 PM Post #1,747 of 2,143
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Originally Posted by El Condor /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Fun description d-cee. I'm myself thinking of upgrading my Zhaolud D2.5A to include a discrete analog stage with the Zapfilter, but I hadn't considered the Ori mod. I'm not sure if it's available for the D2.5A though.

If anything, this gives me a better idea of what to expect if I go down the Oriway
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yep Ori does 2.5 as well, i snapped up Ori's last D2.0 DAC
 
May 4, 2007 at 8:10 AM Post #1,748 of 2,143
so, I did some calculation, to get to the mod that I need...
Zhaolu, zap filter, wire, capacitor, RCA jacket, solder (wondering if I need resistor, because my school's lab has bunch of resistors for us to use, but then... not sure if they meed the spec).

All these together added shipping will cost me around 450 dollar .... that is a lot of money if I accidentally screw up somewhere in the mod.

Wondering how the sound of a zapfiltered zhaolu compare to a modded DAC-AH.

Also, here is another question, about capacitors.
I notice that there are change of black gates in a lot of people's mod. But from the picture, Crow and cotdt has different capacitor installed on different places. What are the capacitor that is recommend to swap and what values/type should they be swap with?
 
May 4, 2007 at 8:34 AM Post #1,749 of 2,143
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Originally Posted by DSlayerZX /img/forum/go_quote.gif
so, I did some calculation, to get to the mod that I need...
Zhaolu, zap filter, wire, capacitor, RCA jacket, solder (wondering if I need resistor, because my school's lab has bunch of resistors for us to use, but then... not sure if they meed the spec).

All these together added shipping will cost me around 450 dollar .... that is a lot of money if I accidentally screw up somewhere in the mod.

Wondering how the sound of a zapfiltered zhaolu compare to a modded DAC-AH.

Also, here is another question, about capacitors.
I notice that there are change of black gates in a lot of people's mod. But from the picture, Crow and cotdt has different capacitor installed on different places. What are the capacitor that is recommend to swap and what values/type should they be swap with?



There is no need for any capacitors, although you can change a couple caps in the PSU to Blackgates. But if you buy them from Eddie, they will be premodded by request. I've compared the AD/Zapfilter to the modded DAC-AH (16 chips in parallel, bypassed analog output stage), and they are in different worlds in terms of sound. NOS DACs don't seem to have frequency extremes. Or maybe it was just the implementation.
 
May 4, 2007 at 11:13 AM Post #1,750 of 2,143
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Originally Posted by cotdt /img/forum/go_quote.gif
There is no need for any capacitors, although you can change a couple caps in the PSU to Blackgates. But if you buy them from Eddie, they will be premodded by request. I've compared the AD/Zapfilter to the modded DAC-AH (16 chips in parallel, bypassed analog output stage), and they are in different worlds in terms of sound. NOS DACs don't seem to have frequency extremes. Or maybe it was just the implementation.


What do you mean by different world of sound? does it mean that they sounded extreme difference from teach other? So I guess buying a cap is not necessary, but here rise another question, on partsconnexion there are more than one kind of zapfilter, each has difference clock time, which one should be the one that will fit the DAC the most?
 
May 4, 2007 at 5:30 PM Post #1,751 of 2,143
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Originally Posted by DSlayerZX /img/forum/go_quote.gif
What do you mean by different world of sound? does it mean that they sounded extreme difference from teach other? So I guess buying a cap is not necessary, but here rise another question, on partsconnexion there are more than one kind of zapfilter, each has difference clock time, which one should be the one that will fit the DAC the most?


They sound extremely different from one another. The modded DAC-AH was much closer to the stock Zhaolu CS in sound: more weighty sound but less detailed. I only see one Zapfilter on the Partsconnexion site. It's the one listed for $214.95. It doesn't have any clocks.
 
May 4, 2007 at 5:35 PM Post #1,752 of 2,143
Ahh, I was looking at the wrong item... no wonder ..... =_=
but anyway, cotdt, how long do you think building the dac will take... and also, do you know any where near here that we can make faceplate? =_=
Because the original one with the headphone jack and volume nob just looks plain ugly
 
May 4, 2007 at 5:47 PM Post #1,753 of 2,143
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Originally Posted by DSlayerZX /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Ahh, I was looking at the wrong item... no wonder ..... =_=
but anyway, cotdt, how long do you think building the dac will take... and also, do you know any where near here that we can make faceplate? =_=
Because the original one with the headphone jack and volume nob just looks plain ugly



It took me about 6 hours, but that was due to me using the wrong tools. Should take around 4 hours probably. Contact Ori to see if he'll sell you an Oritek faceplate. swt61 can make you a wooden faceplate, as well.
 
May 4, 2007 at 6:48 PM Post #1,754 of 2,143
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Originally Posted by DSlayerZX /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Also, here is another question, about capacitors.
I notice that there are change of black gates in a lot of people's mod. But from the picture, Crow and cotdt has different capacitor installed on different places. What are the capacitor that is recommend to swap and what values/type should they be swap with?



Don't mind my different caps / parts, I had to rebuild my PSU. You may need to get the 56 ohm 5W resistors to get rid of the hum, other than that no other part swapping is necessary.

If you hate the faceplate just grab a slab of aluminum or wood at your local hardware store. All you'll really have to have is a hole for a switch and preferably an LED, and the mounting screws of course. I did this a few pages back, using brushed aluminum.

Have fun modding, but I would suggest you get one of those anti-stat grounding bracelets. Zapping the Zapfilter with static would be costly indeed.
 
May 5, 2007 at 12:39 PM Post #1,755 of 2,143
i've only heard a modded 1.3...is it the general feeling that the 2.0a or 2.5a modded are better?

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Originally Posted by d-cee /img/forum/go_quote.gif
even though I don't think that the Oritek Zhaolu has gone head to head with a Zapfiltered Zhaolu, the Oritek seemed like the best choice.


can anyone confirm this? i'd like to know how they compare.
 

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