DigitalFreak
镇老鹰
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Hey MF, I'm rather curious if you have ever had a chance to sample one of Smeggy's creations and what your final conclusion on the sound was.
Oh yes, and I really enjoyed the series and its expansions, but it was Neverwinter and the level designing suite that specifically that made me a BioWare fan.
For a basic intro to canonical Hegel, I really recommend The Accessible Hegel by Michael Allen Fox.
There are two very different competing readings of Hegel however, both as an idealist and a materialist. The former is more of a theological reading which is what philosophers like Schopenhauer and Kierkegaard heavily criticized, whereas the latter is what many people typically see as the precursor to Marx. In the 20th century, the materialist reading is definitely more predominant, but within that framework there have been a lot of different interpretations. Kojeve and Hyppolite were two very influential voices in this regard. Also Sartre's Critique of Dialectical Reason and Malabou's The Future of Hegel are very important. Personally, I tend to be more influenced by the readings of Zizek on Hegel. I suggest picking up an intro to Zizek such as the Routledge Critical Thinker's Series guide at some point.
My deep hatred for NK could have been attributed in part by the fact that I'm a South Korean and was taught (or possibly brainwashed) from a young age that NK is an evil nation that should be torn into pieces. But still there's still no doubt that it's evil, unlike some other communist states that managed to get by with what they had.
The notion of market economy is more appropriate to industrial countries.
An agrarian economy is pretty much just a market economy writ small, at least if you're comparing it to a command economy. Even if you go back to some version of feudalism where peasants pay their taxes in crops it's pretty much just a market with more barter and less currency. Even kings that might have had the power to do so didn't try and micromanage the whole economy. Sometimes they might just demand stuff, or else, but despotism doesn't exactly define a command economy.
You could legitimately classify agrarian and market economies differently based on other criteria but Romy's point seemed to be more about decentralized/bottom-up vs centralized/top-down
My take on this: we should get rid of all that -isms. Feudalism, capitalism, socialism, communism etc. are artificial concepts which don't describe reality correctly.
WOW. A ton of misinformation in this thread. First, I would suggest to some people that they stop reading Wikipedia as a critical source of information. Things are being oversimplified to the point of becoming entirely alien. Take "ideology" for example. A very misused term. Saying the economy needs to be separated from it is naive (and I would say not even possible). Saying something like "religion and science should be separated" is itself an operative a priori paradigm.
Also let's not confuse the source with the interpretation of the source. I would actually wholly agree that "Darwinism" and "Marxism" have been taken too far---- but NOT by Marx and Darwin themselves. As I keep saying over and over again... there are so many different interpretations of Marx (and Darwin), you really can't simply say "the effect of Marx in modern society is X." That's BS, plain and simple. Leninism is not the same as Stalinism. Not by a long shot. You can't really say that Marxism itself failed, and therefore Marx's ideas were themselves invalid, without first conceding that the implementations of "Marxism" in the 20th century have all been seriously compromised and subject to very different strains of interpretation. Honestly, that's like saying Nietzsche advocated Nazism because his sister misappropriated his writings to fascism. Stalinism basically reduced Marxism to servitude to party-state, or what Kant called public reason to private reason. What's laughable is that Lenin actually advocated the exact opposite. Stalin was no Hegelian.
I actually agree that some people take Marxism and Darwinism to be religions, basically overextending them to domains where they get stretched thin. However I totally disagree with the assertion that religion should be completely unconcerned with the material world. This just leads to some return to vulgar Platonism or Gnosticism and is symptomatic of tepid New Age "spiritualism." Yuck, no thanks.
I think DF raises a very good point: you need to ask people who advocate getting rid of this or that, "what do you really want? With what should be replace it?" Often times the answer is very telling. The failure of Communism in the 20th is something that sends a clear message, in my opinion, that the [often] radical mantra of "don't think, just act" is misguided: now is the time for thinking, and maybe we've been a bit too hasty? The suspension of thought leads to some very dire consequences.
Butt-hurt Marx advocate is detected. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
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As I keep saying over and over again... there are so many different interpretations of Marx (and Darwin), you really can't simply say "the effect of Marx in modern society is X." That's BS, plain and simple.
Muppet Face:
That's BS, plain and simple. Leninism is not the same as Stalinism. Not by a long shot.
Saying something like "religion and science should be separated" is itself an operative a priori paradigm.
WOW. A ton of misinformation in this thread.
This just leads to some return to vulgar Platonism or Gnosticism and is symptomatic of tepid New Age "spiritualism." Yuck, no thanks.
And while I'm here, the 40th anniversary of "Thick as a Brick" is out. The sound quality is most excellent, highly recommended.
Mutabor - I think it's fascinating to have a chance to talk directly with someone that was taught and lived under the old socialist model. When you were growing up, were you exposed to the theory underlying socialism, or was it simply fed to you as Truth by the State?