[rpajarr]

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How about the AD1000? Any particular reason the AD900 is better? Just curious.
 
 
Is there an open-air HP list on head-fi?
 
 

 
Well there's a comparison of the entire AD line from AT on headfonia. 
 
Link for fun: http://www.headfonia.com/audio-technica-ad-series-ad300-ad700-ad900-ad1000prm-ad2000/

 

[AzraelDarkangel]

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Yeah I type fast or something.
 
I looked at your profile, Rasputina sounds good on the SA-5000.
 
So are there really no more open-air alternatives to these headphones?
 
 

I just tried to update my profile too, they have a 100 character limit on each section now; that's less than one line! I had to delete a bunch of stuff to update! I just posted my Facebook. I'm getting into Japanese bands more too now like X-Japan and Dir En Grey. Looking for new music.
 
Best similar alternatives seem to be the Shure 940s or K702s or Audio-Technicas.
 
 

 

[kiteki]

 
Well I didn't like the K701 so I'm crossing that off the list, it was a joke next to the SA-5000.
 
 
Earpad: Cold black leather VS dirty carpet.
 
Housing: Lightweight industry magnesium VS plastic from a cereal box.
 
 
SRH-940 is not open-air, but yeah it sounds good and has nice construction, a very nice HP for $250.
 

 

[kiteki]

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Japanese bands more too now like X-Japan and Dir En Grey. Looking for new music.

Try Pierrot, Hizaki, Yousei Teikoku, Aural Vampire, Alice Nine, etc.
 
 

 

[kiteki]

 
Speak of the devil!!!!!!!!!!!
 

 

 

[Xymordos]

Hey kiteki have you ever compared the HD800 with SA5000?
 
I know by looking at the price the HD800 should be better in all departments. But does it beat the SA5000 in resolution and detail retrieval?
 
Thanks!

 

[kiteki]

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Hey kiteki have you ever compared the HD800 with SA5000?
 
I know by looking at the price the HD800 should be better in all departments. But does it beat the SA5000 in resolution and detail retrieval?
 
Thanks!

 
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By the way, the HD800 and Tesla T1 are reference headphones, they lean towards accuracy and flatness with an evenly positioned soundspace, the SA-5000 is more upfront, the vocals will reverberate in your nasal cavity and the icy highs will fall like metallic feathers.

 
 
No, the SRH-940, SA-5000 and HD800 are most likely all equal in detail retrieval, and they all have a similiar signature, irrespective of prices.

 

 

[Nepenthe]

No experience with the AD900, but this graph adequately explains the differences between the SA5K and the AD700:
 
http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=2661&graphID[]=1463
 
First, from 200 to 500 Hz the Sony is down some, including 4 or 5 dB at 300 Hz, and this made the Sony feel even colder and thinner.
 
Second, the down, up, down starting at 1000 Hz and ending at 6500 Hz is in the same direction on both cans but is more severe in all three moves on the Sony, and this contributes to the Sony's midrange just feeling strange and uneven, compared to the more natural AD700. The Sony also falls off a cliff after about 12,000 Hz where the AD700 has some energy there (which probably helps the AD700 achieve a better soundstage). 
 
The 50 Hz square wave response is not good for the AD700 but is a disaster for the SA5K, and its bass was amazingly thin-bodied even compared to the AD700.
 
However, in my opinion the chassis of both phones are unacceptable. The Sony was a squeaky, fidgety, microphonic mess while the AD700, despite the coax pad mod and the hairband on wings mod, was just not made to stay on my head.

 

[kiteki]

 
Is yours made in Japan? It sounds like you're describing a fake lol.
 
I haven't heard the AD700 yet myself, you know, the champagne purple... I'm not sure, lol, it seems like a nice headphone for under $100 though.
 
I liked the bass on the SA-5000, it reverberated in the leather earpads themselves.
 
You are correct about the square-wave measurments, but the Qualia 010 measures even worse... it actually has the worst square-wave response ever measured, a Skullcandy Ink'd measures better, and yet it sells for $5000 second hand, kindof interesting don't you think.
 

 

[Xymordos]

Woah seriously? And the 010 are the most detailed headphones ever made aren't they?

 

[kiteki]

 
-shrug-
 

 

 

[NamelessPFG]

 
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Woah seriously? And the 010 are the most detailed headphones ever made aren't they?

 
And I thought that sort of talk was reserved for Stax flagships when driven properly...
 
That said, if there's one thing I've heard a lot of in SA5000 reviews, it's the mention of speed. How fast can a dynamic driver like that get in terms of transient response?

 

[kiteki]

 
The 010 is so fast it shattered the very squarewave into pieces.
 

 

[AzraelDarkangel]

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No experience with the AD900, but this graph adequately explains the differences between the SA5K and the AD700:
 
http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=2661&graphID[]=1463
 
First, from 200 to 500 Hz the Sony is down some, including 4 or 5 dB at 300 Hz, and this made the Sony feel even colder and thinner.
 
Second, the down, up, down starting at 1000 Hz and ending at 6500 Hz is in the same direction on both cans but is more severe in all three moves on the Sony, and this contributes to the Sony's midrange just feeling strange and uneven, compared to the more natural AD700. The Sony also falls off a cliff after about 12,000 Hz where the AD700 has some energy there (which probably helps the AD700 achieve a better soundstage). 
 
The 50 Hz square wave response is not good for the AD700 but is a disaster for the SA5K, and its bass was amazingly thin-bodied even compared to the AD700.
 
However, in my opinion the chassis of both phones are unacceptable. The Sony was a squeaky, fidgety, microphonic mess while the AD700, despite the coax pad mod and the hairband on wings mod, was just not made to stay on my head.

I've looked at the FR graph for the SA5000 before and it does look very mediocre. It looks like it would be a fun challenge to mod these phones to try to smooth out the highs and warm up the lows.

 

[AzraelDarkangel]

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The 010 is so fast it shattered the very squarewave into pieces.
 

ROFL!