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May 28, 2020 at 5:13 AM Post #3,331 of 8,642
ac67 said:
https://helpguide.sony.net/dmp/nwzx500/v1/en/contents/TP0002936004.html

Music streamed using apps other than “Music player” is played in the following quality.
[Use High-Res streaming] is on:
Up-converted playback at 192 kHz/32 bit
[Use High-Res streaming] is off:
Down-converted playback at 48 kHz/16 bit
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Up-converted playback at 192 kHz/32 bit

I hope that's just their terminology! Don't want 16/44, 24/48, 24/96 up-converting to 32/192 ! Needs to play at the tracks encoded level, bit-perfect, not up or downscale.
 
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May 28, 2020 at 5:26 AM Post #3,332 of 8,642
psikey said:
Up-converted playback at 192 kHz/32 bit

I hope that's just their terminology! Don't want 16/44, 24/48, 24/96 up-converting to 32/192 ! Needs to play at the tracks encoded level, bit-perfect, not up or downscale.
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This is the ADB dumpsys media.audio_flinger
It seems to confirm up-conversion has occured (am sure the audio file I am playing is NOT 192KHz).

Output thread 0xeab03800, name AudioOut_C5, tid 14059, type 2 (DUPLICATING):
I/O handle: 197
Standby: yes
Sample rate: 192000 Hz
HAL frame count: 2048
HAL format: 0x3 (AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_32_BIT)
HAL buffer size: 16384 bytes
Channel count: 2
Channel mask: 0x00000003 (front-left, front-right)
Processing format: 0x5 (AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_FLOAT)
Processing frame size: 8 bytes
Pending config events: none
Output device: 0x8 (AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_WIRED_HEADPHONE)
Input device: 0 (AUDIO_DEVICE_NONE)
Audio source: 0 (default)
Normal frame count: 2048
Last write occurred (msecs): 9529818
Total writes: 0
Delayed writes: 0
Blocked in write: no
Suspend count: 0
Sink buffer : 0xeae4f000
Mixer buffer: 0xeae2d000
Effect buffer: 0xeb9ce000
Fast track availMask=0xfe
Standby delay ns=3000000000
AudioStreamOut: 0xec5514d0 flags 0x2 (AUDIO_OUTPUT_FLAG_PRIMARY)
Frames written: 0
Suspended frames: 0
Hal stream dump:
Thread throttle time (msecs): 0
AudioMixer tracks:
Master mono: off
No FastMixer
2 OutputTracks: (0 : 0xebd03c80, 13) (0 : 0xea80ba00, 189)
Stream volumes in dB: 0:-5.9, 1:-inf, 2:-inf, 3:0, 4:-36, 5:-inf, 6:-inf, 7:-inf, 8:-6, 9:0, 10:0, 11:0, 12:0
Normal mixer raw underrun counters: partial=0 empty=0
0 Tracks
0 Effect Chains
Local log:
 
May 28, 2020 at 5:35 AM Post #3,334 of 8,642
ac67 said:
This is the ADB dumpsys media.audio_flinger
It seems to confirm up-conversion has occured (am sure the audio file I am playing is NOT 192KHz).

Output thread 0xeab03800, name AudioOut_C5, tid 14059, type 2 (DUPLICATING):
I/O handle: 197
Standby: yes
Sample rate: 192000 Hz
HAL frame count: 2048
HAL format: 0x3 (AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_32_BIT)
HAL buffer size: 16384 bytes
Channel count: 2
Channel mask: 0x00000003 (front-left, front-right)
Processing format: 0x5 (AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_FLOAT)
Processing frame size: 8 bytes
Pending config events: none
Output device: 0x8 (AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_WIRED_HEADPHONE)
Input device: 0 (AUDIO_DEVICE_NONE)
Audio source: 0 (default)
Normal frame count: 2048
Last write occurred (msecs): 9529818
Total writes: 0
Delayed writes: 0
Blocked in write: no
Suspend count: 0
Sink buffer : 0xeae4f000
Mixer buffer: 0xeae2d000
Effect buffer: 0xeb9ce000
Fast track availMask=0xfe
Standby delay ns=3000000000
AudioStreamOut: 0xec5514d0 flags 0x2 (AUDIO_OUTPUT_FLAG_PRIMARY)
Frames written: 0
Suspended frames: 0
Hal stream dump:
Thread throttle time (msecs): 0
AudioMixer tracks:
Master mono: off
No FastMixer
2 OutputTracks: (0 : 0xebd03c80, 13) (0 : 0xea80ba00, 189)
Stream volumes in dB: 0:-5.9, 1:-inf, 2:-inf, 3:0, 4:-36, 5:-inf, 6:-inf, 7:-inf, 8:-6, 9:0, 10:0, 11:0, 12:0
Normal mixer raw underrun counters: partial=0 empty=0
0 Tracks
0 Effect Chains
Local log:
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That's pathetic then! I was going to order the import this morning too but I thought I should hold off a while.

Can't justify £600+ on a Streaming player that doesn't play the stream without re-scaling and I have to risk importing to get rid of the EU volume cap and then low battery unless using Walkman app :scream:

Test a standard 16/48 or 16/44 file in Tidal/Spotify/Amazon and see if it show 192k if you can.
 
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May 28, 2020 at 5:44 AM Post #3,335 of 8,642
ac67 said:
This is the ADB dumpsys media.audio_flinger
It seems to confirm up-conversion has occured (am sure the audio file I am playing is NOT 192KHz).

Output thread 0xeab03800, name AudioOut_C5, tid 14059, type 2 (DUPLICATING):
I/O handle: 197
Standby: yes
Sample rate: 192000 Hz
HAL frame count: 2048
HAL format: 0x3 (AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_32_BIT)
HAL buffer size: 16384 bytes
Channel count: 2
Channel mask: 0x00000003 (front-left, front-right)
Processing format: 0x5 (AUDIO_FORMAT_PCM_FLOAT)
Processing frame size: 8 bytes
Pending config events: none
Output device: 0x8 (AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_WIRED_HEADPHONE)
Input device: 0 (AUDIO_DEVICE_NONE)
Audio source: 0 (default)
Normal frame count: 2048
Last write occurred (msecs): 9529818
Total writes: 0
Delayed writes: 0
Blocked in write: no
Suspend count: 0
Sink buffer : 0xeae4f000
Mixer buffer: 0xeae2d000
Effect buffer: 0xeb9ce000
Fast track availMask=0xfe
Standby delay ns=3000000000
AudioStreamOut: 0xec5514d0 flags 0x2 (AUDIO_OUTPUT_FLAG_PRIMARY)
Frames written: 0
Suspended frames: 0
Hal stream dump:
Thread throttle time (msecs): 0
AudioMixer tracks:
Master mono: off
No FastMixer
2 OutputTracks: (0 : 0xebd03c80, 13) (0 : 0xea80ba00, 189)
Stream volumes in dB: 0:-5.9, 1:-inf, 2:-inf, 3:0, 4:-36, 5:-inf, 6:-inf, 7:-inf, 8:-6, 9:0, 10:0, 11:0, 12:0
Normal mixer raw underrun counters: partial=0 empty=0
0 Tracks
0 Effect Chains
Local log:
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Is this on direct source mode?
 
May 28, 2020 at 5:53 AM Post #3,338 of 8,642
psikey said:
Test a standard 16/48 or 16/44 file in Tidal/Spotify/Amazon and see if it show 192k if you can.
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I have tested on Tidal. Regardless Master (MQA) or not same 192KHz/32bit. Likewise for YouTube Music.
Only Sony's WM Player app set the bitrate correctly.

<edit> Should be sampling rate, not bitrate as above.
 
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May 28, 2020 at 5:55 AM Post #3,339 of 8,642
https://www.phileweb.com/sp/news/d-av/202005/28/50419.html


"By applying the update, the contents of streaming services such as Amazon Music HD and mora qualitas can be played in high resolution without being down-converted. Up to now, it was down-converted to 48kHz / 16bit, but it is now possible to output uniformly at 192kHz / 32bit. Even if the original music is 96kHz / 24bit, it will be output at 192kHz / 32bit uniformly. If DSEE HX is on, interpolation is also done."

$0NY!!! What!!!
 
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May 28, 2020 at 5:58 AM Post #3,340 of 8,642
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May 28, 2020 at 5:58 AM Post #3,341 of 8,642
ac67 said:
I have tested on Tidal. Regardless Master (MQA) or not same 192KHz/32bit. Likewise for YouTube Music.
Only Sony's WM Player app set the bitrate correctly.
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Trying to con people then. Who wants a 16/48, 24/48, 24/96 Tidal upscaling to 32/192!

Looks like I will be sticking with Hiby for Tidal or Amazon HD service use.
 
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May 28, 2020 at 6:08 AM Post #3,343 of 8,642
ac67 said:
I have tested on Tidal. Regardless Master (MQA) or not same 192KHz/32bit. Likewise for YouTube Music.
Only Sony's WM Player app set the bitrate correctly.
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Thanks, what a feared they had done. Oh well, maybe on the Next Sony :astonished:

PS. I acknowledge it still sounds great but so do many, much cheaper DAPs that also do bit-perfect playback correctly for much less cost and better battery life when using third-party apps.
 
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May 28, 2020 at 6:18 AM Post #3,344 of 8,642
32bit 192Khz interpolation still sounded better than 16bit 48khz. It's a better compromise than being stuck on low res. At least to my ears, YouTube music app does really sounded better vs previous firmware, now it sounds even more closer to hi-res flac.

This time Sony did improve the overall sound quality and system responsiveness of the ZX507.

Do remember to disable google after this firmware update for better performance.

Question for everyone here: is bit perfect so important?
 
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May 28, 2020 at 6:24 AM Post #3,345 of 8,642
Sonywalkmanuser said:
It's a better compromise than being stuck on low res. At least to my ears, YouTube music app does really sounded better vs previous firmware, now it sounds even more closer to hi-res flac.
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Look I realise your Sony's super-fan (I love Sony hardware too) but when a $299 Hiby R5 can do it (and with better battery life & power output) its not acceptable for a $600+ player marketed as a Hi Def streaming player to be hobbled in this way. Its lazy or the Sony engineers have no clue how to work with Android.

There shouldn't be a compromise at this price point !
 
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