Sometimes it's not the system...

[Veto]

slugish
as in slow
as in 'it smears notes together'

(what's the problem ?

)

 

[Kirosia]

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Originally Posted by Veto slugish as in slow as in 'it smears notes together' (what's the problem ? )

I don't think they're sluggish at all, just not as fast as some other phones. I went straight from rs1 to HD650, and I found the prat of the latter pretty adequate. As for the smearing, I'm not sure about what you mean. Are you referring to the musicality? No matter, it sounds real nice as a whole, so whatever. And the weird thing is, I'm running the stock cable through what could be considered lower-end quip than most of you guys . . .

(if ya thing I'm a senn fanboy, I'd probably defend beyer and grados as well, if the proper context)

 

[Veto]

of coarse it's compared to another headphone.
I still like them though...

 

[amartignano]

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Originally Posted by Yikes Why is it that when someone (Me) expresses the opinion that Sennheiser HD-650/600’s are a little less than stellar performers HD lovers immediately blame our amplification or that they must not have been properly broken in? The fact is that there are many people who agree with the sentiment that the 650’s are kind of dull. If someone states that they like the 650’s I don’t immediately come out saying that it’s because the rest of their system must be overly bright and analytical.

I don't think that the HD650 are "dull", but I have something "wrong" with them, indipendently from the system driving them.

And I've also noticed this behaviour of some HD650 "fans": if you don't like them, it's they are not broken-in, it's your amplification (also if they dont' know which is) and stupid things like that, and they never set down...

Probably it's because they didn't understand that forums are not places for battle between headphones, but only places for sharing opinions.


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Originally Posted by Yikes If newbies hear varying opinions they are more likely to wait for an actual audition before making their purchases.

Simply true.

bye
Andrea

 

[hentai]

I agree with what Yikes has said and andrea's unnecessary/rude comments are proving his point, Yikes dislikes hd650 , can we just respect and accept that? At least he didn't say things like hd650 sounds worse than ipod stock buds or disrespect it. If his ears dislike hd650 , we can't say things like his mum gave him a wrong pair of ears during his birth or he has special kind of ears or his setup suck etc and etc..

Andrea: Yikes thinks the hd650's dull and even states that its a matter of taste. Thats pretty alright. He has a pair of his own ears that you don't have. He doesn't accuse the hd650 is dull , he just hear and feel it with his own ears. Thats absolutely 100% ok.

and one thing , andrea . You are beginning to sound like salesman trying to revive a product's reputation when its being tarnished by a customer. Though many of us are acting abit like the salesman , you are getting abit too much

 

[Andrea]

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Originally Posted by Veto slugish as in slow as in 'it smears notes together' (what's the problem ? )

I disagree

 

[Andrea]

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Originally Posted by hentai Andrea: Yikes thinks the hd650's dull and even states that its a matter of taste. Thats pretty alright. He has a pair of his own ears that you don't have. He doesn't accuse the hd650 is dull , he just hear and feel it with his own ears. Thats absolutely 100% ok.

fine

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Originally Posted by hentai and one thing , andrea . You are beginning to sound like salesman trying to revive a product's reputation when its being tarnished by a customer. Though many of us are acting abit like the salesman , you are getting abit too much

Alright, totally wastin' my time

 

[Andrea]

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Originally Posted by Kirosia I don't think they're sluggish at all, just not as fast as some other phones. I went straight from rs1 to HD650, and I found the prat of the latter pretty adequate. As for the smearing, I'm not sure about what you mean. Are you referring to the musicality? No matter, it sounds real nice as a whole, so whatever. And the weird thing is, I'm running the stock cable through what could be considered lower-end quip than most of you guys . . . (if ya thing I'm a senn fanboy, I'd probably defend beyer and grados as well, if the proper context)

I'm in quite a 'precarious' situation with my system, as you see in my sig.

My sentiments on the headphone match yours perfectly though

 

[Andrea]

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(if ya thing I'm a senn fanboy, I'd probably defend beyer and grados as well, if the proper context)

Including here


Wow, 4 posts in a row

 

[CRESCENDOPOWER]

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Originally Posted by Yikes Why is it that when someone (Me) expresses the opinion that Sennheiser HD-650/600’s are a little less than stellar performers HD lovers immediately blame our amplification or that they must not have been properly broken in?.

I have no problem with anyone who likes phones other than the HD-650s. I have a ton of respect for members here that like: Stax, Beyers, Grados, and AT cans. My problem exists from a member here on Head-Fi that thinks the ASL MG Head OTL 32, OBH-11SE, and Porta Corda MKII can drive a state of the art headphone to its maximum potential. That member has no clue what he is talking about, and all it does is show his inexperience, just like 95% of most members here.

 

[warpdriver]

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Originally Posted by CRESCENDOPOWER My problem exists from a member here on Head-Fi that thinks the ASL MG Head OTL 32, OBH-11SE, and Porta Corda MKII can drive a state of the art headphone to its maximum potential.

I think you are just proving Yike's point even more...

If you don't like a sound signature from a particular headphone, no matter what exotic amplification you throw at it, the basic sound signature is still going to be there to some extent UNLESS your amp is not neutral and introduces gross distortions into the chain There are some characteristics of a sound signature which are not vastly affected by amplication, and if that's the case, no matter what you do, the problem doesn't go away.

Sometimes a dislike for a headphone can only be solved by changing to a difference headphone.

If you take a Honda Civic, no matter how you tweak it and how fast you make it, even if you piled $50000 of mods into it, it's still a Honda Civic by nature, it will never feel like a Corvette. If a Grado person finds a Senn dull, then even the best headphone amp is not going to change it into a Grado.

 

[CRESCENDOPOWER]

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Originally Posted by warpdriver I think you are just proving Yike's point even more... If you don't like a sound signature from a particular headphone, no matter what exotic amplification you throw at it, the basic sound signature is still going to be there to some extent UNLESS your amp is not neutral and introduces gross distortions into the chain There are some characteristics of a sound signature which are not vastly affected by amplication, and if that's the case, no matter what you do, the problem doesn't go away. Sometimes a dislike for a headphone can only be solved by changing to a difference headphone. If you take a Honda Civic, no matter how you tweak it and how fast you make it, even if you piled $50000 of mods into it, it's still a Honda Civic by nature, it will never feel like a Corvette. If a Grado person finds a Senn dull, then even the best headphone amp is not going to change it into a Grado.

Of course I know that the HD-650s won’t do it for everyone, but you can’t judge this phone without the correct associated equipment. The problem is that they are vastly affected by amplification, and by your statements I am willing to bet that you have never even heard a pair of HD-650s in your life.

 

[warpdriver]

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Originally Posted by CRESCENDOPOWER Of course I know that the HD-650s won’t do it for everyone, but you can’t judge this phone without the correct associated equipment. The problem is that they are vastly affected by amplification, and by your statements I am willing to bet that you have never even heard a pair of HD-650s in your life.

I disagree to some extent.

I object to your implication that sound signature that it is "vastly affected by amplication". Sound signature is inherent to the design of the headphoes, and for the most part, determined by the genes of the design. If a headphone is dull with reasonably good amplication....that includes the Corda MkII that you imply is not good enough, then it will still sound dull even with more expensive amplification. I did hear the 580/600/650 recently (which I immensely enjoyed BTW) with a Gilmore Lite, and it was obvious that the sound signature was opposite to what I'm used to, quite a bit more warmer than anything from Grado. So if I'm reading you right, does that mean if I replace the SR-71 with a top line Gilmore or Ray Samuel amp, that the headphone will sound completely different? I think you're overstating what good amplication will do for a headphone.

Yes, it's definitely nice to have proper equipment, but I have a problem with statements like yours that state that changing equipment will change sound characteristics "vastly". Yes good amplication can have a definite affect on some aspects of sound, but you have to be more realistic as what actual effects it has on the sound.

 

[CRESCENDOPOWER]

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Originally Posted by warpdriver Sound signature is inherent to the design of the headphoes

Sound signature is inherent to all components in the chain, and some transducers respond differently to amplification than others.

 

[Veto]

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Originally Posted by CRESCENDOPOWER That member has no clue what he is talking about, and all it does is show his inexperience, just like 95% of most members here.

Isn't this the kind of argument that this thread was suppost to avoid...

When is someone qualified to give his opinion on 650's (that's a general question for all the 'experienced' headfiers)?

Again, I like them but I also agree that one does not need to have the best equipment to get to a point where one can give a opinion on the sound signature that the phones have!
IMO the difference between a killer setup and a good setup won't change your mind if you don't like them to begin with.

Veto