Singxer SU-2

Jan 30, 2024 at 9:08 AM Post #212 of 224
Hi,
need a help. I've upgraded my SU-2 with the IAN Canada 45 and 49 MHz clocks, but I getting an error and can't get sound with 48 kHz sample rate files. If I replace 49 MHz IAN Canada clock with the stock Accusilicon 49 MHz clock, everything works fine. Is it possible that IAN Canada 49MHz clock isn't "compatible" with the SU-2 or is it a faulty clock?
 
Mar 8, 2024 at 10:02 AM Post #214 of 224
lt1086 has 360uv are big much nasty noise
have extra singxer su2 with oscon capacitor
but would like to have lt l3045 put in at 3.3 volts
is finished circuit
Direct replacement for lt1086
is finished circuit that use
if any of you know it
Feel free to send a link
thanks frank
 
Jul 17, 2024 at 4:02 AM Post #216 of 224
SU-2 DIY iFi iPower X to DC-DC Converter Power Supply retrofit provides significant Audible Improvements

I owned the Matrix, SingXer SU-6 and lastly, the SU-2 and didn't find any appreciable differences between the three of them.
Nor did I feel they made any meaningful improvement over my USB straight to my DAC.
I bought the SU-2 because I wanted to try its 10MHz external clock input.
I tried it first with an inexpensive ($79?) OCXO from China and it made perhaps a 5% improvement in expanded soundstaging.
So I went for the Mutec REF10 SE120 and it improved my system's SQ by about 15% on top of the budget OCXO when connected to the SU-2.

I was intrigued by John Swenson's thread on DIY DC Power Cables where he asserted that Digital circuits don't typically draw steady state current and to accommodate their instantaneous current draws, Star-Quad DC cables provide minimal inductance/impedance for optimal performance.
https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/31554-diy-dc-power-cables/#comment-653868

Following that, Antipodes Audio announced their new "Fast" power supply which I upgraded to in my server and player.
Antipodes' first iteration was a [Texas Instruments] TI DC-DC Converter fed by an R Core transformer.
Antipodes referred to it as a Hybrid Linear/SMPS Power Supply.

Antipodes later announced a Phase 2 upgrade, replacing the R Core transformer with an SMPS - feeding the same DC-DC converter.
They weren't offering this Phase 2 upgrade on my "older" units as there wasn't enough space inside the chassis.
So I removed the R Core transformer and replaced it with an iFi Elite SMPS.
The result was a 50% improvement over the original 25% improvement of just the TI DC-DC converter.

I owned a Ferrum Hypsos Hybrid PS for a while which I used on my EtherRegen, which I also feed 10MHz external clock to.
The EtherRegen thrives on a good external clock.
Then I started comparing the Hypsos with the iPower SMPS feeding the TI DC-DC converter and found the inexpensive DIY combo was convincingly better than the Hypsos.
Now nearly all of my digital circuits are fed by an iFI Elite or iPower X to TI DC-DC converters. [DAC, Phoenix Regen, EtherRegen, Server, Player-Streamer, SU-2 DDC, Home Theater Processor, Firestick, Cable Modem, Fiber Repeater]


For the SU-2, I used a 5V iPower X [no earth ground] to a TI DC-DC converter [Part # TPSM63606EVM] optioned for 5V to replace the SU-2 LPS .
I heard a 30% improvement in terms of expanded soundstage/holography.
The DC-DC converter can be fed up to 36V input and can be jumper configured for different outputs - 1.8V, 2.5, 3.3V, 5V, 12V
Other resistors can be soldered to the board to configure other voltages but it's a little tricky as you're on your own. I've done 9V and 1.2V


The SU-2 project -

I bought an aftermarket $60 5V iPower X and the TI DC-DC converter can be purchased from DigiKey [or Mouser] for ~$60
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/texas-instruments/TPSM63606EVM/15666796
The iPower X output consistently measures 5.24VDC on each of the five units I own and the TI DC-DC converter optioned for 5V outputs 4.94VDC regardless of input voltage.
You can choose a higher voltage iPower X to feed the DC-DC converter if you want to.
I found the audiophile generalization of "A good LPS is better than an SMPS" to be a myth after trying this.
Although admittedly, I have not had any interest in trying these on any analog circuitry - preamp, analog section of my DAC .
I own a Phoenix USB Regen which uses a custom designed dual 5V Sean Jacobs LPS - one feeding the OCXO and the other feeding the USB chip and circuitry.
I replaced the SJ LPS to the USB circuitry with the iPower X and TI DC-DC converter and there was a 15% improvement in holography.
On my Antipodes EX Player, I replaced the motherboard-provided 5V USB power with the iPower X/DC-DC converter and the holography and ease improved significantly.

Following that, I found further, that feeding the digital chips directly provides noticeably higher resolution than through an existing linear voltage regulator.
I decided to take this route on the SU-2 recently - instead of feeding the 5V [4.94V] to the main PS input to the SU-2 board, I used two additional DC-DC converters - one optioned for 3.3V and the other custom optioned for 1.2V [custom mod-it doesn't have jumper provision for this on the eval board] to replace the linear regulators to the right of the top Accusilicon XO [see image]. This added another very noticeable level of holography, resolution and palpability to the presentation.


For my first implementation, to keep it simple, I made an aluminum plate with DC jack to replace the AC IEC receptacle.
I tried the 5V iPower direct to the SU-2 digital board. I also used a good earth ground to chassis for digital ground.
From memory, I'd say it was about a 7.5% improvement.
Afterwards, I was able to "fit" the added TI DC-DC converter Eval board in the space in back of the front panel.
When I heard the additional SQ improvement, I removed the SU-2 LPS board and fit the naked iPower X PS board in a sealed aluminum box in the SU-2 LPS space. [improvisation required and requires a small TORX driver to remove iPower X plastic case ]
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015334MMA?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1
I also found that replacing the fused IEC inlet with a direct, unfused IEC inlet improved the sound slightly. [Improv and cutting said metal plate with Dremel cutting wheel for IEC]. Ground pin on IEC connected to chassis as was original fused IEC.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/125262497618

The iPower SMPS, which in stock form, directly plugs into the wall, has its own protection internally.

FWIW
 

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Jul 17, 2024 at 8:54 AM Post #217 of 224
Jul 29, 2024 at 7:06 PM Post #218 of 224
External mods that improve SU-2 performance - iFi iPower X SMPS > TI DC-DC Converter > TI USB Regenerator > SU-2

My Phoenix USB Regen sits between my Antipodes CX/EX Server/Player and the SU-2.
Neither the Phoenix or Antipodes provide Galvanic Isolation.
Despite the SU-2 providing Galvanic Isolation on its USB input, the SU-2 relies on the external USB device feeding it 5V power for its USB Hub/PHY chip [SMSC 3300-EZK], the ARM STM32F Controller and the primary sides of the array of digital isolators.

Adding the SMPS/DC-DC Converter/USB Regenerator before and after the Phoenix added a significant improvement to the resolution, ease and soundstaging in my system.
And, it's all plug and play. You can create the way you put it in an enclosed chassis.

As mentioned in my previous post, an iPower X of any DC output [5V and above] can be acquired for as low as $60 used, the [optional but recommended] TI DC-DC converter Eval Board is ~$65
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/TPSM63606EVM?qs=A6eO%252BMLsxmRX4xVXJoyZ8w%3D%3D
and the TI USB repeater Eval Board is $65
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/ISOUSB211DPEVM?qs=A6eO%2BMLsxmQxsQ5MYGLaYg==

USB Repeater Data Sheet
https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/sllsfc5c/sllsfc5c.pdf?ts=1722276950815&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ti.com%2Ftool%2FISOUSB211DPEVM

USB Repeater User Guide
https://www.ti.com/lit/ug/sbou261/sbou261.pdf?ts=1722276952284&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ti.com%2Ftool%2FISOUSB211DPEVM

Image description -
Vertical white oval left of Spartan Chip = array of digital isolators. USB upstream side powered from external USB 5V supply feeding 5V>3.3V regulators [far left upper corner within large white circle]

ARM Controller within big white circle powered off same external USB 5V supply feeding 5V>3.3V regulators
as is smaller USB Hub/PHY chip within same white highlighted circle north of the ARM Controller.

FWIW
 

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Jul 29, 2024 at 9:04 PM Post #219 of 224
One additional detail -

The TI USB Repeater can be optioned to pass thru the 5V USB power fed in to it or, with a jumper option, pass on Galvanic Power applied to the Regen Board.
It is the latter that can make a significant improvement to the SU-2's upstream USB Power performance by passing on the Galvanic iFi iPowerX>TI DC-DC Converter 5V power fed to the Regen.
 
Jul 31, 2024 at 4:02 PM Post #220 of 224
External mods that improve SU-2 performance - iFi iPower X SMPS > TI DC-DC Converter > TI USB Regenerator > SU-2

My Phoenix USB Regen sits between my Antipodes CX/EX Server/Player and the SU-2.
Neither the Phoenix or Antipodes provide Galvanic Isolation.
Despite the SU-2 providing Galvanic Isolation on its USB input, the SU-2 relies on the external USB device feeding it 5V power for its USB Hub/PHY chip [SMSC 3300-EZK], the ARM STM32F Controller and the primary sides of the array of digital isolators.

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/TPSM63606EVM?qs=A6eO%252BMLsxmRX4xVXJoyZ8w%3D%3D
and the TI USB repeater Eval Board is $65
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/ISOUSB211DPEVM?qs=A6eO%2BMLsxmQxsQ5MYGLaYg==

USB Repeater Data Sheet
https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/sllsfc5c/sllsfc5c.pdf?ts=1722276950815&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ti.com%2Ftool%2FISOUSB211DPEVM

USB Repeater User Guide
https://www.ti.com/lit/ug/sbou261/sbou261.pdf?ts=1722276952284&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ti.com%2Ftool%2FISOUSB211DPEVM

Hi Rich:
While the TI USB isolator EVM board may be providing benefit to your SU-2, it's likely from its data GI and not much from its VBUS output as that board uses just TPS76701 LDOs for the 5BUS output. Those are not particularly low-noise or high PSRR regs. You could surely do better with just a USB VBUS injector cable fed from a modest LT3045 supply.

One additional detail -

The TI USB Repeater can be optioned to pass thru the 5V USB power fed in to it or, with a jumper option, pass on Galvanic Power applied to the Regen Board.
It is the latter that can make a significant improvement to the SU-2's upstream USB Power performance by passing on the Galvanic iFi iPowerX>TI DC-DC Converter 5V power fed to the Regen.
As above, I think you might want to compare that board versus a nice 5V DC supply fed into USB cable adapter. That would allow you to know how much of what you are liking is due to the ISOUSB211 effect on the data or due to simply good VBUS power.

BTW, there a bunch of commercially available audiophile units with either the TI ISOUSB211 or the Analog Devices ADuM4165/66. But I don't think any of them use LT3045 regs for 5VBUS generation.
 
Jul 31, 2024 at 4:45 PM Post #221 of 224
Great points Alex.
https://www.ti.com/tool/ISOUSB211DPEVM#tech-docs

The black highlighted circles on the image show the option pins and terminal feed to add external power for the repeater's USB output which bypasses its on-board regulators.
I'm going to move the [currently external] TI USB Repeater going to the SU-2 into a larger chassis along with the SU-2 board, eliminate the additional USB cable
and place the galvanic power supply adjacent to the upstream USB components within the SU-2.

The issue with these Eval boards is they're always 2X-5X the foot print needed for the application.
But as a DIY'er in uncharted territory [for me :)], they sure are convenient.
I'll post pictures of my SU-2 Rube Goldberg in the bigger chassis when functional.
I always appreciate your support.

Rich
 

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Aug 24, 2024 at 5:29 AM Post #222 of 224
Hello SU-2 users,

I’ve been using an SU-2 as a USB bridge for my Violectric for a few days now, and I’m a bit unsure about how to configure the device within Roon. I’m only using the AES/EBU output. Should I set the maximum bitrate in Roon to 24 bits, or leave it at 32 bits? Thanks for your help :-)

Best regards,
Dominik
 
Aug 24, 2024 at 6:08 AM Post #223 of 224
Hello SU-2 users,

I’ve been using an SU-2 as a USB bridge for my Violectric for a few days now, and I’m a bit unsure about how to configure the device within Roon. I’m only using the AES/EBU output. Should I set the maximum bitrate in Roon to 24 bits, or leave it at 32 bits? Thanks for your help :)

Best regards,
Dominik
Hello,
here is a good description.https://shenzhenaudio.com/products/singxer-su-2-dsd1024-usb-digital-interface-femtosecond-clock-interface?srsltid=AfmBOooRb3hNuThzrTcJ7CpKS1uCadfcTQdknnYpuYKAenEwvsGsBIO3

If I go by this description the Su2 in AeS only supports 24 bit at 192 khz, if you want 32 bit you have to use the I2S port.
It supports everything including 1024 DSD.
 
Aug 25, 2024 at 6:06 PM Post #224 of 224
Rube Goldberg Phase II Complete.

Having tried the Sparkos and Bellison low noise regulators on the main LPS board along with oversize R Core and torroid and several combinations of over kill Mundorf caps and decade-spaced bypasses, none of this made any meaningful difference in my setup. I don't have experience being able to claim that lowest noise regulator decisively moves the needle. Although the Bybee Gold Purifiers are definately doing "something" to assist with deeper black level, holography and resolution.

This Rube is a continuation from the inspiring application of an iFi iPower X SMPS to 5V TI DC-DC converter on an Eval board feeding the main 5v input to the SU-2 digital board.
The new chassis has sufficient floor space for two separate SMPS to DC-DC converter power supplies - one for the TI USB Isolation Eval Board consisting of
- 5V to the TI USB Isolator Eval Board
- 3.3V bypassing the dirty-side SU-2 regulators to the USB Hub and ARM Controller and the dirty side power for the SU-2 isolators

as well as one iPower X to [for now] 3 separate DC-DC converters:
5V to the original SU-2 board input which powers the PLL [other stuff?]
3.3V [I believe] to the clean side of the isolators, the Spartan, misc other - [I use 10MHz external so I have no comment on Accusilicon performance]
1.2V to the Spartan

Having cutover each voltage one at a time and then listened, the holography and resolution is at its all-time best although I'm not going to say that the system is in its ultimate state. It's clearer to me now how my brain works - over all these years, a new clock mod here, a new power supply mod there and the brain latches on to the delta uptick from its last memory and tends to run with it as "maybe this is it!". The lack of openness of the clarinet on my system still tells me there is work to do.
However out of phase information has never been reproduced with more precision, reverb trails decaying in different areas of the soundstage have never been so detailed and palpable and the emotion from each recording has never been as engaging.

Other things to try are on the TI USB isolation Eval board - replacing its onboard regulators with the DC-DC converters. Not sure of the 5V USB input from the Phoenix USB Regen to the TI isolator input can be replaced if the Phoenix Ground must remain in tact. Feedback, education and ideas always welcome.
Also, replacing the 24MHz crystal on the USB hub with a Crystek 575 to start. [Fantasies of whether a low-phase noise 24MHz OCXO would add precision!]
I believe now that the dirty side ground for the XO or OCXO regulator would go to the local ground on the TI USB Isolator output rather than all the way back to the Phoenix USB Regen.
The constraining issue for me is that my SMD soldering work has the tendency to look like a drawing a kindergartener would bring home from school to hang on the refrigerator and that post-desoldered components may be my point of no return. :)

Rich
 

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