Sennheiser HD800S Unveiled!
Jan 17, 2016 at 1:26 PM Post #2,746 of 6,514
   
Interesting. Would the HD800S "thickness" compare to "thick" sounding headphones like the Audeze LCDs? Or just "thicker" compared to HD800 but far from the "thickness" of the Audeze LCDs?


According to my ears, the high-end planar dynamic headphones of Audeze and Hifiman have more bottom end than the HD 800 S which can make the HD 800 S sound thin when switching back and forth. But this is easily fixed with an EQ.
 
Jan 17, 2016 at 1:31 PM Post #2,747 of 6,514
 
  Well sure that would be nice. But when you have the market filled with similar headphones that are way more expensive (stax, LCD, Hifiman) and people snapping them up, why would you do that? Senn's price given the market seems pretty good. Plus with the Senn's you get a much higher quality of build and a proven track record of being able to service very old headphones (along with Stax)... For, yes, a lower price than most of the competition. The only one that seems to come in lower are the Beyer T1s ( another german company) and personally I think the S and classic sound better. Since Beyer was having trouble competing in the TOTL headphone category, it makes sense that they dropped their price. 

 
When you look at it that way then it could seem so but in my opinion it's wrong to compare HD800S pricewise to other TOTL headphones when the market is pretty bad. Now, I'm not gonna comment on the price on HD800S since I haven't heard them yet but I don't like that the move Sennheiser made by adding a cable.

Why would they not add a balanced cable? It makes sense as many TOTL amps now come with a balanced output including of course their own. I think the pricing on the S is entirely reasonable given the marketplace and their place within that. Even if it were only the classic HD800 with an extra cable it would be better value than buying the two separately to be honest.
 
Jan 17, 2016 at 1:41 PM Post #2,748 of 6,514
   
When you look at it that way then it could seem so but in my opinion it's wrong to compare HD800S pricewise to other TOTL headphones when the market is pretty bad. Now, I'm not gonna comment on the price on HD800S since I haven't heard them yet but I don't like that the move Sennheiser made by adding a cable.

I was responding to the critique that Senn should have lowered the price... It's obvious right now that the market forces are definitely not suggesting that Senn needs to do that. But if your point is that the entire market is overpriced, I guess when people stop falling all over themselves to buy multi-thousand euro headphones then the prices will come down. It used to be that headphones were undeniably a good deal relative to speakers, and perhaps the HD800 family still is. But 3k or 4k? Geez, there are a lot of speaker systems that will sound pretty good up there...
 
Jan 17, 2016 at 2:03 PM Post #2,749 of 6,514
 
If the HE-1000 is $3000, then the HD800 S is too cheap on this market. At the current price the HD 800 S is still a steal.


Yes, HD800S and T1 are the sane options it seems... now 1k€ is cheap for a TOTL can.
 
Jan 17, 2016 at 2:09 PM Post #2,750 of 6,514
You can get a pair of KEF LS50 second hand around 1000$. A nice Sony UDA-1 from 250$ hooked up to your foobar and you have a system that beats most TOTL headphones. And it's coming from a person who loves headphones and the personal aura you get when your headphones are on.
 
Jan 17, 2016 at 2:20 PM Post #2,751 of 6,514
You can get a pair of KEF LS50 second hand around 1000$. A nice Sony UDA-1 from 250$ hooked up to your foobar and you have a system that beats most TOTL headphones. And it's coming from a person who loves headphones and the personal aura you get when your headphones are on.


Funny that you mention those. I have the UDA-1 and LS50's and they are amazing! Although I did upgrade from the UDA-1 to some Audio-gd products which once again give amazing performance for the money you spend. Definitely do more listening to the speakers then I do headphones these days. The cost of some of these headphones these days is absolutely ridiculous. Basically robbery.
 
Jan 17, 2016 at 2:33 PM Post #2,752 of 6,514
Well, considering the original HD-800 prices second hand, it's more reasonable now. I think I will buy a pair again, for the third time. The originals were perfect for watching movies, gaming and some classical I have listened. But I definitely want to give a try for the new "Sport" model! :)
 
But to shell out 3-5000$ for a new pair of headphones that's beyond my financial limits. Back in the day it was the HD600 on top of the audiophile world for like 350$, brand new. Just think about it.
 
And yes, long live the KEF LS50. I  think the UDA-1 will be more than satisfactory for the HD800 to drive them, too. Perfect "budget" rig, to me anyway.
 
Jan 17, 2016 at 2:49 PM Post #2,753 of 6,514
Agree with all of these sentiments. Not only can you get speakers for less that sound better, but consider the cost of making the speakers, material and shipping all over the place vs a little headphone. The profit margin must be yummy for phone manufacturers. 
 
Jan 17, 2016 at 3:05 PM Post #2,755 of 6,514
  Agree with all of these sentiments. Not only can you get speakers for less that sound better, but consider the cost of making the speakers, material and shipping all over the place vs a little headphone. The profit margin must be yummy for phone manufacturers. 

I'm interested where you have your data from..........what is the difference and what are the relative GP margins?
 
Jan 17, 2016 at 3:47 PM Post #2,756 of 6,514
  Agree with all of these sentiments. Not only can you get speakers for less that sound better, but consider the cost of making the speakers, material and shipping all over the place vs a little headphone. The profit margin must be yummy for phone manufacturers. 


I have not heard a speaker that costs less than the HD 800 S and sounds better? Also not even the $10.000 range.
 
Even very high end speaker setups driven by amplifiers that costs more than the Orpheus 2 lack the resolution of the HD 800 S.
 
Jan 17, 2016 at 3:57 PM Post #2,757 of 6,514
 
I have not heard a speaker that costs less than the HD 800 S and sounds better? Also not even the $10.000 range.
 
Even very high end speaker setups driven by amplifiers that costs more than the Orpheus 2 lack the resolution of the HD 800 S.

YAMAHA NS-1000M RESOLUTION
 
Jan 17, 2016 at 4:05 PM Post #2,758 of 6,514
  YAMAHA NS-1000M RESOLUTION


I have never seen these before. I'll give them a listen if I happen to see them somewhere. 
 
Jan 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM Post #2,759 of 6,514
 
I have never seen these before. I'll give them a listen if I happen to see them somewhere. 

I held them for 22 years with the Class A amplifiers Laxman - transparency and precision in sound Breathtaking. not suited to the tastes OF ALL but  stayed in the Top Class least for me
 
Jan 17, 2016 at 7:46 PM Post #2,760 of 6,514
   
It is refreshing to hear someone else pointing out that many TOTL cans have more in common with each other than differences relative to the vast majority of cans out there. It is the nature of the beast that when we try to explain differences in writing, it exaggerates them.
 
Having said that, it is important to point out the the so called "troublesome treble etch" of the classic is a feature on well recorded acoustic music, often delightfully sharpening the instrument separation and and air around the instruments. You give a little of that up on the S.Take this next part with a grain of salt if you wish, because of the significant variation between pairs of LCDs that are supposedly the same model, but you give even more of that up on any LCD I have ever heard including X and 3F. However,I haven't heard these headphones back to back with the S.The differences between young dude and classic are slight but easily detectable. But the difference between sounstage HD800 classic (which is the same as the S) and LCD 3f or X is easily detectable as different and isn't that subtle, the LCD being smaller. Bass slam on the LCDs is much greater than either Senn. Delineation between instruments is more different on the HD800 vs LCD than  Classic vs. the young dude. Inner detail is generally noticeably better on the HD800 than either LCD, the price being the over emphasis of silbilants on the classic. Since the S is 98% of the classic (w/o the overemphasis) in this regard I would be surprised to find it is closer to an LCD that the classic.
 
In short, I thought the most accurate piano was on the classic until I heard the S. For me, the LCD was definitely behind. 

 
Actually I consider that treble etch very real...it's measured and shows up on virtually every FR response I've seen and don't hear it with either say the SR-009s or HE1000s...I have to conclude that with my recordings, it was the HD800s that overly emphasized it. Thankfully the HD800S's have fixed that for my ears. 
 

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