[SP Wild]

In my experience musicians are the very last people to ask about sound quality.

I wonder what made you come to this conclusion? I am curious.

 

[kman1211]

  I need some help. My HD 650 has this weird treble texture. It has a bright and rough coating that is not necessarily fatiguing, but sounds a bit brighter than my friend's HD 650 on the same set up. His pair sounds very smooth while my pair is fairly smooth, but sounds a bit brighter as if it has a tiny peak in the treble. again, it is far from fatiguing. I want to know that do some 650s sound a bit brighter than the other ones? both are the silver driver models and have 200+ hours on them.

If pad wear and clamp is the same, that is simply unit variation. The only differences I remember among the different HD 650's I've heard had mainly to do with the treble, some seemed to have a slight peak up top and others seemed buttery smooth.

 

[penmarker]

I wonder what made you come to this conclusion? I am curious.

I echo his opinion. There are many types of musicians and a lot of them don't have high end gears. The more mainstream musicians leave the mixing and mastering to dedicated studios, and those studios are the ones with the high end gears.
Unless the musicians really know what they're aiming for, high end gear is not needed by them. Don't get me wrong, I don't mean they don't aim for good quality music and produce bad quality audio because they're dumb, but its because that's not their target audience in the first place.
 
Unless we're talking about Hans Zimmer or Dr. Chesky, that band you love probably only has some Scarlett interfaces and Genelec Monitors with DT770 for record monitoring.

 

[Sennheiser Yo]

My hd600 setup.
Cayin c5 amp/dac connected to my galaxy s5.

 

[SP Wild]

I echo his opinion. There are many types of musicians and a lot of them don't have high end gears. The more mainstream musicians leave the mixing and mastering to dedicated studios, and those studios are the ones with the high end gears.
Unless the musicians really know what they're aiming for, high end gear is not needed by them. Don't get me wrong, I don't mean they don't aim for good quality music and produce bad quality audio because they're dumb, but its because that's not their target audience in the first place.

Unless we're talking about Hans Zimmer or Dr. Chesky, that band you love probably only has some Scarlett interfaces and Genelec Monitors with DT770 for record monitoring.

True. Most hobbyist musos won't be able to relate crazy expensive stereos to music reproduction at all. And wouldn't have a clue about audio marketing. But is it to say a muso won't be able to recognise good or bad reproduction of their instruments...Because the reproduction is trying to capture the production.

Mark Levinson is a Muso. Have you seen his current speakers designed by himself under his new company?

 

[Solrighal]

I wonder what made you come to this conclusion? I am curious.

 
I think musicians get their kicks from actually performing the music. I also believe the good ones have an ability to fill in the gaps in a recording that mere mortals like myself simply are unable to do. If most musicians cared about & understood recorded sound quality it should follow that most recordings would be good. They're not.

 

[MWSVette]

Most of my musician friends are the poor starving type.  So no high end listening equipment for them.
 
Their instruments on the other hand.  They would rather play than eat...

 

[SP Wild]

I think musicians get their kicks from actually performing the music. I also believe the good ones have an ability to fill in the gaps in a recording that mere mortals like myself simply are unable to do. If most musicians cared about & understood recorded sound quality it should follow that most recordings would be good. They're not.

True, one lovely lady muso could pull notes from a twenty dollar cassette player I had no idea were there. Still, when it comes to the specific instrument the muso specialises in, and takes pride in playing, you couldn't be further than the truth. Although you couldn't be further from the truth period. Every band members knows the sound of their mates instrument so well, that they all know if something was changed in the sound.

As for recording, that is a different skillset altogether handled by other professionals.

 

[Solrighal]

True, one lovely lady muso could pull notes from a twenty dollar cassette player I had no idea were there. Still, when it comes to the specific instrument the muso specialises in, and takes pride in playing, you couldn't be further than the truth. Although you couldn't be further from the truth period. Every band members knows the sound of their mates instrument so well, that they all know if something was changed in the sound.

As for recording, that is a different skillset altogether handled by other professionals.

 
Recorded music is the only thing I'm talking about. In fact it's pretty much the only thing relevant in a forum such as this.

 

[JoHit]

   
I think musicians get their kicks from actually performing the music. I also believe the good ones have an ability to fill in the gaps in a recording that mere mortals like myself simply are unable to do. If most musicians cared about & understood recorded sound quality it should follow that most recordings would be good. They're not.

I have to agree with this as well. I've done some sound engineering work for small live performances and in my experience musicians are sensitive to how they sound in the mix (how loud or quiet they are compared to everyone else), not necessarily how well their sound is reproduced.
 
Musicians know how their instruments should sound; it's easily plausible they would subconsciously fill in sound details that speakers and headphones can miss.

 

[SP Wild]

I have to agree with this as well. I've done some sound engineering work for small live performances and in my experience musicians are sensitive to how they sound in the mix (how loud or quiet they are compared to everyone else), not necessarily how well their sound is reproduced.

Musicians know how their instruments should sound; it's easily plausible they would subconsciously fill in sound details that speakers and headphones can miss.

I can see how that is so true. Musos are very defensive about being heard and not drowned out by other instruments...And that this is more important for them in the recording than the quality of their instruments. Still it is not to say they cannot asses the quality if pressed to.

 

[CanadianMaestro]

Glenn Gould was one stellar pianist who left the concert stage behind, to devote himself to recording. He was extremely focused on getting a certain sound, but he also wasn't an audiophile -- he was satisfied with listening to music from a crappy radio. Which goes to say, many musos don't care about hi-perf gear for playback. The music moves them from within, regardless of the transducer's perceived qualities. Their brains certainly have been modified in ways that are remarkably different from non-musos, for sure. Oliver Sacks, a neurologist, covered this (and more) in his book, Musicophilia.

 

[Quinto]

  Glenn Gould was one stellar pianist who left the concert stage behind, to devote himself to recording. He was extremely focused on getting a certain sound, but he also wasn't an audiophile -- he was satisfied with listening to music from a crappy radio. Which goes to say, many musos don't care about hi-perf gear for playback. The music moves them from within, regardless of the transducer's perceived qualities. Their brains certainly have been modified in ways that are remarkably different from non-musos, for sure. Oliver Sacks, a neurologist, covered this (and more) in his book, Musicophilia.

Very interesting book!..indeed Gould didn't care about sonority, he was a counterpoint kind of genius, like Johann Sebastian

 

[AndreiD]

Clamp seems to have mostly adjusted at this point, still a bit harder than my other headphones, but they're very comfortable now.       
I really like how laid back they are, nothing's abrasive, including cymbal heavy songs. Managed to fall asleep in my chair with them.      
Tonality seems to be on point too.        
 
Overall, the HD650 are excellent (to my ears), should have gotten them sooner.

 

[1wyseman]

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