I am also a backer, and I fully recognize that the Seiun Pro's may ultimately turn out to be complete garbage, or they may not pan out at all. But when one considers that as backers we have probably perked for this player at a lower price than what CyberDrive ultimately plan to sell it for retail, then I have some optimism that they may be able to deliver a reasonable DAP for what we have invested. While I have no illusions that the Pro's will replace high-end audiophile DAPS, there is already precedence for new low-cost nice introductory DAPs that can play high resolution music files. The new XDuoo X3 has received a very nice review here in Head Fi and it can be bought on Aliexpress and Amazon for ~$110-130. The FiiO X3 2nd generation DAP has been very well received and it can be had for ~$200. Additionally, about 5-6 yrs ago, we had the Nationite sflo2 that cost somewhere between $110-140; it was a player that supported both audio (MP3, FLAC, and I think AAC) and video files and was well received on Head Fi (despite UI complaints). So, I guess only time will tell what, if anything, we will get for our investment in the Seiun Campaign, but I, for one, refuse to believe that the campaign is a scam (at least at this point) just because of the "they can never deliver a DAP with all the features they promise at such a low price" claim... For someone who has also invested in the Geek Wave campaign, it is very clear to me now that perking for a much higher priced "no-compromise, ultimate DAP" certainly does not guarantee delivery as promised... Who knows, in the end, the Seiun campaign may turn out to be a much more honest campaign than the Geek Wave campaign, and for a lot less individual investment...