Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up

[Roy G. Biv]

...but I'm also VERY welcoming of ADDING BLUETOOTH FUNCTIONALITY TO YOUR DACS. Like, I get it's not your thing, but Schiit is YEARS behind the market on this and it really leaves you in the dust for competition.

There are Bluetooth receivers at nearly throw-away prices for those who need it. http://tiny.cc/rs1m001

Personally, I think adding it would be a mistake as Bluetooth, like HDMI, is a moving target. The easiest way to be left behind is to INCLUDE Bluetooth only be left with last years codecs/standards.

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Substandard? Not really, no. The differences between aptX and LDAC are pretty slight. The differences between LDAC and true lossless are very slight. Bluetooth has LDAC functionality and also lossless functionality now too (aptX Lossless). Bluetooth will continue to get even better and better. Again, the people who use bluetooth are aware of the fidelity issues but a) we don't care (or can't hear them) and b) we value the convenience and flexibility over having to be forced to feed our equipment a certain way.

You're somewhat making my point for me here.

 

[khileman]

Vertical monoblocks like this actually make a lot of utilitarian sense for apartment dwellers. They save on floor space and look like they blend in better with furniture than short, stout boxes, especially when given enough room for their heatsinks to breath. When your listening room is also your living/dining/kitchen area, anything that helps with space and thermal management is appreciated.

Also, a big +1 to Schiit doing some true class A speaker amps. Most of us don't need tons of wattage, and the world of reasonably priced class A solid state is sadly desolate.

I’m glad you think so, this was really such a big goal of mine with the design, to allow the amps to mesh easier with furniture and the living environment.

 

[MindBreak]

@AstronomerXI I agree with you. Bluetooth's only logical place in Schiit's DACs is for Forkbeard and not for audio <insert shudder here>. I think that stating they are left in the dust in terms of the competition is, well, overstating things a bit. If someone needs bluetooth in a DAC there are plenty of other options out there.

Even with DACs that have Bluetooth in them, many owners end up turning it off since they do not have need of it. I understand why some companies offer it in their DACs as a convenience feature, but that is not the use case that Schiit is marketing/designing their DACs for. Many of us own streamers for convenience, and that kind of makes Bluetooth for audio streaming useless. Just my own observation & opinion, but to each their own.

 

[theveterans]

Bluetooth in Schiit DACs? Why? Serious question.

The Bluetooth audio quality is substandard and lossy. I don't see Schiit as being "...left in the dust" without it. On the contrary, I applaud their focus on quality audio, and that sets them apart from much of the similarly-priced competition.

UPnP renderer would've been a better choice than BT

 

[Ableza]

No one is forced to use bluetooth. It's there as an option for people who enjoy using bluetooth from their phones without the need for a PC or separate DAC component

And there are already many options out there for those people.

I'm not sure I would advertise your former affiliation that loudly...

 

[MindBreak]

UPnP renderer would've been a better choice than BT

Well, that won't be featured in Schiit Aduio DACs for a reason that has been mentioned many times in this thread.

 

[stuck limo]

There are Bluetooth receivers at nearly throw-away prices for those who need it. http://tiny.cc/rs1m001

Personally, I think adding it would be a mistake as Bluetooth, like HDMI, is a moving target. The easiest way to be left behind is to INCLUDE Bluetooth only be left with last years codecs/standards.

Again, a receiver is a separate component that we shouldn't have to deal with. And there's nothing stating that Schiit can't offer a replacement bluetooth card with the latest codecs when they appear on the market or whenever Schiit feels like it. Again, bluetooth is about convenience, not fidelity. It's about helping the customers with options and choices. LDAC or AptX Lossless is generally "good enough" for most people who are using bluetooth in the first place. And again, if (and when) bluetooth gets even better, there's nothing stating Schiit can't update. iFi does/theoretically does this with their bluetooth equipment too.

 

[theveterans]

Well, that won't be featured in Schiit Aduio DACs for a reason that has been mentioned many times in this thread.

So is BT for sure

Even the streaming market is already fully saturated IMHO

 

[ArmchairPhilosopher]

No Bluetooth audio or UPnP for the foreseeable future for reasons already mentioned above.
Sorry, folks!

I do agree, though, that the newer codecs are now plenty good enough for casual listening. So it's not a hard no, just a not any time soon.

 

[stuck limo]

And there are already many options out there for those people.



I'm not sure I would advertise your former affiliation that loudly...

The mods won't remove it. I've asked.

 

[theveterans]

Again, a receiver is a separate component that we shouldn't have to deal with. And there's nothing stating that Schiit can't offer a replacement bluetooth card with the latest codecs when they appear on the market or whenever Schiit feels like it. Again, bluetooth is about convenience, not fidelity. It's about helping the customers with options and choices. LDAC or AptX Lossless is generally "good enough" for most people who are using bluetooth in the first place. And again, if (and when) bluetooth gets even better, there's nothing stating Schiit can't update. iFi does/theoretically does this with their bluetooth equipment too.

It's not Schiit anymore in that case. Schiit's original take with DACs is still no-frills no-gimmick, just works all day product

No Bluetooth audio or UPnP for the foreseeable future for reasons already mentioned above.
Sorry, folks!

I do agree, though, that the newer codecs are now plenty good enough for casual listening. So it's not a hard no, just a not any time soon.

At least adding back the Loki OG (DSD capability) on the future Byggy firmware updates and Mimir via Unison (and ASIO driver for native DSD playback) would be nice

 

[MindBreak]

It's not Schiit anymore in that case. Schiit's original take with DACs is still no-frills no-gimmick, just works all day product

All components contained within are focused on getting the best sound to your amp of choice at a given price point. That is kind of how I would like it to remain (FB being the one exception ).

 

[Roy G. Biv]

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[stuck limo]

Even with DACs that have Bluetooth in them, many owners end up turning it off since they do not have need of it. I understand why some companies offer it in their DACs as a convenience feature, but that is not the use case that Schiit is marketing/designing their DACs for. Many of us own streamers for convenience, and that kind of makes Bluetooth for audio streaming useless. Just my own observation & opinion, but to each their own.

Streamers work thru the internet. You know how many times the internet goes out? LOTS. (or has the ability/potential to) However, my phone signal almost ALWAYS works even when the internet to the house is out, such as in a storm or heat wave or whatever. This is why I prefer bluetooth over network streaming.

Even the streaming market is already fully saturated IMHO

With companies who are not Schiit. Which means Schiit is losing customer shares.

It's not Schiit anymore in that case. Schiit's original take with DACs is still no-frills no-gimmick, just works all day product

1. We can take that argument to the next logical extreme: higher end products in the 2-7k range aren't Schiit. If they do that, it's not Schiit anymore.
2. I've never had a bluetooth chip die on me from any company/product. They all just work all day.

If there's some technological issue that Schiit can't overcome, that's one thing, but the rest are just bad arguments.

 

[theveterans]

With companies who are not Schiit. Which means Schiit is losing customer shares.

Not logical IMHO. Streamers DO NOT compete with pure DACs. In fact people buy streamers to further improve the SQ of Schiit DACs subjectively.

Streamers work thru the internet. You know how many times the internet goes out? LOTS. (or has the ability/potential to) However, my phone signal almost ALWAYS works even when the internet to the house is out, such as in a storm. This is why I prefer bluetooth over network streaming.

You can literally get a backup 5G cellular prepaid receiver (that runs on your backup generator) if your internet dies out at home BTW

I've never had a bluetooth chip die on me from any company/product. They all just work all day.

Statistically, I've never seen a "serious" 2-channel guy use bluetooth on their system. Make sense for car audio or on-the-go/travel but not for home audio