[streaml1ne]

Both of these products will be at CanJam, and I'll be doing a presentation on Midgard Sunday at 1PM. We'll also have another new product there.

Will there be a way to watch the presentation online?

 

[Ableza]

You folks do realize that what sounds like a simple thing, such as XLR external loops or multiple I/O, adds cost, complexity, and size to these units? Where does it stop? What if I want multiple external loops or six outputs or on-board analog crossovers and parametric EQ and loudness switches and bass management and AV room correction and... ? Oh yea can't forget the damned VU meters!!

I say let Schiit design what they design and it's either for you or it's not.

 

[roadcykler]

You folks do realize that what sounds like a simple thing, such as XLR external loops or multiple I/O, adds cost, complexity, and size to these units? Where does it stop? What if I want multiple external loops or six outputs or on-board analog crossovers and parametric EQ and loudness switches and bass management and AV room correction and... ? Oh yea can't forget the damned VU meters!!

I say let Schiit design what they design and it's either for you or it's not.

NO! I want my Kia Niro to have a 427 cubic inch big block under the hood with an 8-71 blower sticking out of the hood!

 

[Ripper2860]

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[Jason Stoddard]

You folks do realize that what sounds like a simple thing, such as XLR external loops or multiple I/O, adds cost, complexity, and size to these units? Where does it stop? What if I want multiple external loops or six outputs or on-board analog crossovers and parametric EQ and loudness switches and bass management and AV room correction and... ? Oh yea can't forget the damned VU meters!!

I say let Schiit design what they design and it's either for you or it's not.

I don't have any issue with hearing requests, it's just that many of them are not as practical as you think:

1. Processor loop on Ragnarok. Requires a mezzanine board for additional I/O. Not impossible, but not as easy as you might think. Also bad assumption: "preamp stage" and "power stage." That's old think. Ragnarok is a proper, modern product with a single gain stage. There is no "preamp stage."

2. Extra outputs on Freya: physics says no, because this is full. Or I guess we could go all Pentaconn. Those are tiny. Also not a standard thing, also stereo output. Still, not a great answer here without going to a much larger chassis.

3. Balance control (we went over this last night). There's a misconception that with relay ladders, this is "free." Not on the single-ended products, because relays are shared between channels. On balanced products, we could have separate control lines to each channel, yes, but this is a complete re-do of the board, and will require quite a bit more space (or more board layers) to do. It also means you have to have a way to indicate balance is engaged. This means another motorized pot (pricey, and now it's a different chassis), or hinky LED indication that "balance is off center by 3 LEDs" or something like that, or a screen. Again, it's a re-engineering job, possibly ending in a different chassis.

4. Front panel switches. No, not gonna happen. That said, I'm sure more products will get standby modes, etc to reduce power consumption to nearly nil.

Again, I'm not against change. Just know that it frequently not as simple, or inexpensive, as you might think. Keep making suggestions; please make well-reasoned cases for them, especially if you can get a "more sales" justification in there; just don't be surprised when we can't do them all.

 

[jonbmet]

There's no room for that. Not without losing inputs.

True. May have to go into a rag size chassis to accomplish. So probably won't happen.

Or maybe just do a fully balanced version of Freya+. Personally, once I have a Skoll I would be ok with losing all SE inputs/outputs.

 

[Ripper2860]

You folks do realize that what sounds like a simple thing, such as XLR external loops or multiple I/O, adds cost, complexity, and size to these units? Where does it stop? What if I want multiple external loops or six outputs or on-board analog crossovers and parametric EQ and loudness switches and bass management and AV room correction and... ? Oh yea can't forget the damned VU meters!!

I say let Schiit design what they design and it's either for you or it's not.

Oooops. Forgot about the complexities of balanced. I was just thinking SE RCA IN/OUTs. Thanks for bringing that to the forefront. A classic Easier said than done scenario.

And yes, I'm thinking old school 2x gain stage / preamp and amp both stuffed in one box. I should've known that Schiit was way beyond that.

 

[Jason Stoddard]

True. May have to go into a rag size chassis to accomplish. So probably won't happen.

Or maybe just do a fully balanced version of Freya+. Personally, once I have a Skoll I would be ok with losing all SE inputs/outputs.

Balanced only is guaranteed to sell 1/10 as much as an input-agnostic product.

How do you feel about all Pentaconn? Those are balanced, two channel, and take less space than an RCA. Yeah, I still don't like them either. Not on full-sized products, anyway.

 

[Ripper2860]

True. May have to go into a rag size chassis to accomplish. So probably won't happen.

Or maybe just do a fully balanced version of Freya+. Personally, once I have a Skoll I would be ok with losing all SE inputs/outputs.

How would you ever listen to your SACDs?

 

[Ableza]

Balanced only is guaranteed to sell 1/10 as much as an input-agnostic product.

How do you feel about all Pentaconn? Those are balanced, two channel, and take less space than an RCA. Yeah, I still don't like them either. Not on full-sized products, anyway.

The only way I could integrate a device using Pentaconn connectors is by using adapters, or by building custom IC cables. So my basic instinct reaction would say no.

 

[Ableza]

NO! I want my Kia Niro to have a 427 cubic inch big block under the hood with an 8-71 blower sticking out of the hood!

Throw enough money at it and it could happen. You may not be able to steer it, but then maybe you wouldn't need to.

 

[LobalWarming]

Will there be a way to watch the presentation online?

Yes there is was.

The wine tasting section was delicious

 

[savage233]

Keep making suggestions; please make well-reasoned cases for them, especially if you can get a "more sales" justification in there; just don't be surprised when we can't do them all.

My favorite Schiit piece to date is the Syn. I didn't understand it at first, but then I started realizing just how versatile it is. More products like that please.

Also some kind of modular Schiit rack/stack. Desktop shelfs that are perfected sized for Schiit products form factor. Full size rack (maybe wall mounted selves) to match my components. You can add an LED to illuminate a Schiit symbol and put the switch in the back.

 

[bevanc]

NO! I want my Kia Niro to have a 427 cubic inch big block under the hood with an 8-71 blower sticking out of the roof!

FTFY

 

[ScotchNeat]

NO! I want my Kia Niro to have a 427 cubic inch big block under the hood with an 8-71 blower sticking out of the hood!

You're thinking about it wrong. The Niro being so squared off has all that wonderful space in the back, so you should convert it to a MR layout, have the 427 behind you and the blower intake on the roof.