[belgiangenius]

A 2-channel system does not contain a TV.

 
Mine does.  It provides sound when I'm watching tv.
 
Sound much better than most home theater systems.  Forget surround sound.

 

[US Blues]

I have TV in my 2-channel system as well, it's all I need for the little bit of viewing I do. 

 

[Ableza]

Let me revise.  A proper 2-channel system is a dedicated setup and does not include a TV.  It's generally also not in the living room if the TV is there.  It stands alone. 

 

[Ableza]

 
If used as the audio source, why not pray tell?
 
ORT

The audible effects from having a large reflective screen between the speakers for one thing.  And why would you want the sub-par audio from a television driving a 2-channel setup?  No thank you.

 

[belgiangenius]

  Let me revise.  A proper 2-channel system is a dedicated setup and does not include a TV.  It's generally also not in the living room if the TV is there.  It stands alone. 

Hmm....my 2-channel system has a television behind it, for when I want to watch tv.  I guess my 2-channel system is not proper. 

 

[Ableza]

 
Hmm....my 2-channel system has a television behind it, for when I want to watch tv.  I guess my 2-channel system is not proper. 

What you have is a hybrid system, or an all-in-one, or a home theater that you also use for music.  Nothing wrong with that, but it's not the sort of proper dedicated 2-channel setup that these Schiit products would be best for.  IMO.

 

[belgiangenius]

  The audible effects from having a large reflective screen between the speakers for one thing.  And why would you want the sub-par audio from a television driving a 2-channel setup?  No thank you.

Ummm...well, televisions are usually placed in between the speakers, and behind them.  That's a fairly low impact place to have a large reflective screen.  And when I'm watching tv, sub-par audio will do just fine.

 

[OldRoadToad]

  The audible effects from having a large reflective screen between the speakers for one thing.  And why would you want the sub-par audio from a television driving a 2-channel setup?  No thank you.

​To date, I have yet to hear that.  Additionally, many new televisions have an optical digital out.  Bits are bits. In truth, I rarely watch television as the fare that they foist upon us over the airwaves/cable/sat these days for the greater part does not interest me.   But plenty of good folk enjoy stereo music and stereo broadcasts over their TV.
 
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[Ableza]

 
Ummm...well, televisions are usually placed in between the speakers, and behind them.  That's a fairly low impact place to have a large reflective screen.  And when I'm watching tv, sub-par audio will do just fine.

For home theater that is the necessary setup, of course.  But for dedicated music listening having a large audibly reflective surface between the speakers, especially since in most TV setups it is out even with the speakers, is a very sub-optimal setup indeed and can cause all sorts of high frequency effects. distortion, reverb, room modes, etc.  You really don't want that setup for a dedicated music space. Yes, I understand that most people don't have that luxury.  And yes, I sometimes listen to music using my HT.  But it isn't really a 2-channel setup like this gear is designed for unless it is designed only for 2-channel music.  Or 2.1, in some cases.

 

[Ableza]

 
​To date, I have yet to hear that.  Additionally, many new televisions have an optical digital out.  Bits are bits. In truth, I rarely watch television as the fare that they foist upon us over the airwaves/cable/sat these days for the greater part does not interest me.   But plenty of good folk enjoy stereo music and stereo broadcasts over their TV.
 
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And there's nothing wring with that.  But it isn't 2-channel, it's music over a TV system.

 

[cishida]

A 2-channel system does not contain a TV.

When the AV components are not powered, the system effectively does not contain a tv (or anything other than your 2 channel components). the av components are not in the signal chain. (I'm referring to the ht bypass setup)

 

[jacal01]

Dear Jason(yes, I am a Schiit fanboy)

What the Schiit customers need is a great reasonably priced CD transport.  I have your TOTL DAC and amp and it is fabulous for its intended purpose, which is listening to CDs. I just happened to have an old OPPO 83 lying around to use for a transport, but I get excited when I see an old used Mark Levinson CD transport for sale. Please make a CD transport for your faithful fans.

I found myself looking at the Hegel Mohican Redbook CD player they just introduced at Big Top Peewee Colorado CanJam...er, RMAF, which uses the Philips CDM Pro transport drive as long as they can still access them. And it includes a BNC connector for using an external DAC, as is our wont around here.

Retro CD TOTL transport mechanism + present day read electronics capability. Not cheap, tho.

 

[Ableza]

When the AV components are not powered, the system effectively does not contain a tv (or anything other than your 2 channel components). the av components are not in the signal chain.

You miss my point.  The point is the large audibly reflective thing sitting between the speakers.  You don't want that for an optimal setup.

 

[KoshNaranek]

A 2-channel system does not contain a TV.

Now let us not be too judgmental. Some people have limited space and I personally found it easier to convince my spouse to go along with the purchase as it improved her viewing experience.

 

[cishida]

You miss my point.  The point is the large audibly reflective thing sitting between the speakers.  You don't want that for an optimal setup.

I agree it is not optimal. But then my room also isn't the perfect size and I don't have any acoustic treatments or perfect power or the most transparent equipment. Just fairly good 2 channel separates / cables / monitors.

If optimal is the standard then no, i don't have a 2-channel setup.

Now, that's not to say I wouldn't love a dedicated 2 channel setup separate from the tv, but just not practical for me.