Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up
Sep 12, 2023 at 8:19 AM Post #126,301 of 155,190
Sep 12, 2023 at 8:20 AM Post #126,302 of 155,190
The reasons that I can think of:
  • Space constraints. The board is already pretty packed, adding a relay ladder would require additional space for a 3.3V power supply, a microcontroller, the microcontroller's support circuitry (i.e. a bunch of resistors, capacitors, and relay driver ICs), relays, and the resistors for the ladder itself. All in all somewhere around three, maybe four square inch in surface area, plus the tracing to connect it all.
  • Mjolnir 3 has two entirely separate power supplies, one per channel. Having to add a 3.3V power supply for the microcontroller would mean that you would have to tap into one of those two supplies, potentially introducing an imbalance in power delivery capability and/or noise floor between the two channels.
  • Mjolnir 3 is entirely analog, there's nothing digital on the board. Lyr already required a microcontroller for other tasks, adding the relay ladder didn't add a ton of otherwise unnecessary development complexity.
  • The Alps pots are good enough for most human ears in terms of channel balance. And they're not stepped, which some might consider preferable in a headphone amp because it provides finer-grained volume control especially when driving very efficient headphones.
    Bonus (at least for me): 🇯🇵! 😁 (Although, to be fair, the relays that Schiit usually uses are Japanese, as well.)
  • Since Mjolnir 3 is the (spiritual) successor to the first two Mjolnirs, and since it was meant to be an entirely analog product, the idea to use a relay ladder may simply never have come up along the way.
I have a hunch that at least one of them could be in the neighborhood of being right. Or maybe a mix of them. Or it was for an entirely different reason altogether. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My guess is there just isnt room for the form factor.
 
Sep 12, 2023 at 8:43 AM Post #126,303 of 155,190
I am still hoping for a tube type phono preamp but I suppose I could get by with solid state since everything after it would be tubes anyway. I would have to hear it with my system first so I would volunteer to be a beta tester if a new version is produced.😉
 
Sep 12, 2023 at 9:04 AM Post #126,304 of 155,190
My guess is there just isnt room for the form factor.
I figured as much. I also imagine if the MJ3 takes off, that Jason might consider it for MJ4.
 
Sep 12, 2023 at 9:25 AM Post #126,305 of 155,190
Depending on the date, I would plan on attending.....


Leo
I would consider northern Florida, maybe the Panama City area. That way maybe some folks from Georgia would make it.🤪
 
Sep 12, 2023 at 9:40 AM Post #126,306 of 155,190
The reasons that I can think of:
  • Mjolnir 3 is entirely analog,

FTW!

  • The Alps pots are good enough for most human ears in terms of channel balance. And they're not stepped, which some might consider preferable in a headphone amp because it provides finer-grained volume control especially when driving very efficient headphones.
    Bonus (at least for me):
I'm finding I would like a little more control. Good volume for me varies between about 7:30 to 9:00. Feels like not enough granularity. (eta mini-c)
 
Sep 12, 2023 at 9:44 AM Post #126,307 of 155,190
My speculative product:

Dual chassis Modi MMB DAC. One Modi per channel. Balanced out. One power supply for both. Kind of a Modi-sized dcs Vivaldi system.

I suppose I could be convinced to make it Urd-sized then the transport could also be included, like the Vivaldi :-D
 
Sep 12, 2023 at 10:09 AM Post #126,308 of 155,190
I figured as much. I also imagine if the MJ3 takes off, that Jason might consider it for MJ4.
Somewhere way down on my long and ever growing list of things that I want to build for myself is an external relay ladder that I can stick between my Lokius and my headphone amps. Maybe even balanced, who knows. Put the headphone amp's pot to 100% and use the external relay ladder box for attenuation instead.

I don't actually need anything like that, but it would be a fun little exercise for me.

Such an external relay ladder attenuator box is probably too limited of a product to be interesting for Schiit, though.
 
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Sep 12, 2023 at 10:22 AM Post #126,309 of 155,190
Somewhere way down on my long and ever growing list of things that I want to build for myself is an external relay ladder that I can stick between my Lokius and my headphone amps. Maybe even balanced, who knows. Put the headphone amp's pot to 100% and use the external relay ladder box for attenuation instead.

Such an external relay ladder attenuator box is probably too limited of a product to be interesting for Schiit, though.
I've used a Freya S like this in passive mode.
Set whichever head-amp I'm plugged into at 95-100% volume, and then use the attenuator on the Freya S for setting my listening level.
Though since the MJ3 landed I've simply been listening to that balance-plugged straight into the DAC ...
 
Sep 12, 2023 at 10:35 AM Post #126,310 of 155,190
I have considered adding the Saga S that I have spare ahead of my Valhalla 2. It would also give me the option to play with the buffer as well.
 
Sep 12, 2023 at 10:47 AM Post #126,311 of 155,190
Awww Come on! A little bit of audio gear should be easy-peasy lemon squeezie. :wink:

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New MG Cyberster just rocked up at work !!!!
 
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Sep 12, 2023 at 11:14 AM Post #126,313 of 155,190
I figured as much. I also imagine if the MJ3 takes off, that Jason might consider it for MJ4.
That would be MJ5, 4 is that bad number.
 

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