Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up
Jan 12, 2016 at 1:39 PM Post #9,751 of 151,795
  With all this talk of an "affordable", high sample rate, true full multibit ADC; does anyone have any idea how to make one?
 
Just wondering about the fantasies.

 
I'm pretty sure Mike Moffat, inventor/developer of the GAIN I system used by Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs could do it...
 
http://www.vxm.com/21R.46.html
 
See also: post #9617 where Baldr says an ADC would be "Easy to do for Bifrost money or less." 
 
Jan 12, 2016 at 3:48 PM Post #9,752 of 151,795
ADI Industrial PulSAR ADC are possible candidates, Medical Imaging and other Industrial markets have pushed requirements beyond "Audio" ADC/DAC in many parameters.
 
18 bit 2 Msample/s AD7986 looks like it could be capable of 19 bit performance over Audio with the averaging of decimation S/N boost and other params from the data sheet,
but at $30 a pop and single channel per chip it would be hard to hit a really low consumer price point.
 
Jan 12, 2016 at 5:51 PM Post #9,753 of 151,795
  Has anyone of the Vinylistas tested the recording on something cheap and handy (for PC folk) like the Essence STX?
Does that not capture the non linearities and noise of LPs sufficiently well?

I tested my Thorens MM-08 on some vinyl and CDs that I have using 96Khz sample rate.  Sounds really nice except for the noise on the vinyl.  But I've only tested, haven't made more than a few digital copies of an album or two.
 
I swear there's some sort of conspiracy.  For sounds where I think I might be able to hear the difference between a CD track and the vinyl (say, bells or something) the CD never has the song.
 
Jan 12, 2016 at 10:58 PM Post #9,754 of 151,795
 
The RME ADI-2 and some of the other pro-grade gear you listed does not have lowly RCA inputs ... how are you getting the signal from the phono pre-amp to the ADC ? Or do you have/recommend a phono-preamp that has balanced XLR outputs ?

 
No, but the ADI-2 does have 1/4" inputs. One can just put a TS 1/4" connector on the end of a set of RCA cables. Many ADCs or even USB recording interfaces has lowly RCA inputs.
 
The RME Fireface UC is what I would want for doing transfers on a normal basis. It has a preamp with gain control and has a similar build to the ADI-2, but it has preamps and is an interface. The Babyface Pro also looks like a decent option. Though in those small boxes, I am always afraid of internal RF noise. 
 
And the ADI-2 I would put up against ADCs costing twice to three times as much. The only ones I heard that were close were the lush and luxury Lavery converters. And I've heard many converters.
 
PS - I use a Presonus Firebox and use a legacy laptop with IEEE1394 for transferring to vinyl. You can make any PCMCIA slot into IEEE1394/Firewire, and almost every Mac has Firewire, and any FW 800 or Lightning can be converted to FW 400. I like the Presonus for it's AKM 5384 chip. The RME ADI-2 uses an AKM 5385 that only has slightly better specs. 
 
Jan 12, 2016 at 11:57 PM Post #9,755 of 151,795
   
No, but the ADI-2 does have 1/4" inputs. One can just put a TS 1/4" connector on the end of a set of RCA cables. Many ADCs or even USB recording interfaces has lowly RCA inputs.
 
The RME Fireface UC is what I would want for doing transfers on a normal basis. It has a preamp with gain control and has a similar build to the ADI-2, but it has preamps and is an interface. The Babyface Pro also looks like a decent option. Though in those small boxes, I am always afraid of internal RF noise. 
 
And the ADI-2 I would put up against ADCs costing twice to three times as much. The only ones I heard that were close were the lush and luxury Lavery converters. And I've heard many converters.
 
PS - I use a Presonus Firebox and use a legacy laptop with IEEE1394 for transferring to vinyl. You can make any PCMCIA slot into IEEE1394/Firewire, and almost every Mac has Firewire, and any FW 800 or Lightning can be converted to FW 400. I like the Presonus for it's AKM 5384 chip. The RME ADI-2 uses an AKM 5385 that only has slightly better specs. 

 
I have a Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 that works well as an ADC (24 bit / 96 khz). It uses Firewire to interface with the PC.
 
Jan 13, 2016 at 12:31 AM Post #9,756 of 151,795
Quick Update (and New Book)
 
Hey all, sorry for the radio silence. I've been pretty busy here since coming back on the 3rd, so I haven't had time to write another chapter of Schiit Happens. I should have something for you next week, but in the meantime, I figured I'd do two things:
 
1. What's Up With Schiit
 
Another reason for the radio silence is simple: we're all working very hard, because we're still in the middle of the busiest time of the year. The shop is full. There are racks of boards waiting to be tested, programmed, and assembled into chassis. There are racks of finished products. There are boxes of kitted parts ready to go out. Metal--and other big deliveries--are flowing in. And orders are flowing out.
 
For sales nerds, some interesting facts: our "selling season" really starts in November and continues through April. Yes. As in, it's not unusual for January to be as big as December, something you wouldn't expect with the holidays and all, but there you go. The quietest time of the year is usually June/July/August. Which is why we sometimes try to introduce new products around that time. Note "try," and note our record of getting things done on time. 
 
This is also the time of year when we start feeling the limitations of our space, and start thinking about moving. Yes. Seriously. Especially with some future plans, we're running out of space in our 8300 square feet. It's not critical yet, but it really comes down to: do we move this summer, or do we move next summer? We'll see.
 
And--although I am working on the final details of some new products, don't expect to see anything early in the year. The launches we have planned are for products that are more complex and different than what we've done before, and nothing will be slammed out prematurely.
 
The upshot of "no product intros," though, is "no chapters on new products." So I'm open for suggestions. Any thoughts?
 
2. A New Take On Marketing
 
At the same time as I continue the Schiit Happens chapters, I'm writing a new book on the marketing side of things. I'll share that one as it's written, if you're interested. It is a good subject as Schiit ramps up marketing a bit this year...why did we choose to do the things we do, how do we measure success, etc--all good info for other companies who need to market a product.
 
However, I intend this to be a standalone marketing book, applicable to any company. The reasons for writing this book are myriad, but they really boil down to three things:
 
1. Marketing is significantly changed from when I started Centric, 22 years ago. Old assumptions don't work--not in brand, not in message, not in media, not in spend, not in metrics, not in tactics.
 
2. The marketing environment has changed as well. It's now much easier--and less expensive--to look credible and get good exposure than ever before. But...
 
3. The start-up and competitive environment has changed as well. It's now much easier to capitalize and launch a company, be it through crowdfunding or venture funding. You may not know who your competitors are going to be next year. Or, if you're a start-up, you may find yourself with huge demand--and no plan to meet it--AND no plan for what comes next and how to build it into a sustainable company.
 
And let's add a fourth:
 
4. In 22 years, I have seen more companies sabotage their marketing by meddling and second-guessing their way into obscurity...and they're frequently aided and abetted by their agency (who is, after all, NOT the company--and therefore does not share all of their goals...which is an important caution to remember). 
 
Given all of this, how do you avoid being lost in the crowd? In my opinion, it's not just about "authenticity" or "passion" or whatever the corporate buzzwords are these days...or at least not in their current definition. It's not about "brand," or at least how "brand" has been defined in the past. 
 
To me, it's about throwing out a whole lot of marketing baggage, and embracing some new ideas. Ideas like:
 
1. Embracing that every successful, sustainable business is a niche. There is no such thing as mass marketing. The end game of mass marketing is the perfect commodity (think industrial soap, where $0.0001/oz means the difference between sale and no sale.) 
2. Discarding the idea that brand is everything. "But there are mass marketers with big brand names," some will say. Oh yeah? Apple is clearly a niche. And their brand is built on product (and attitude). And it is polarizing.
3. Turning your message up to 11--and beyond. Unless you have cubic money, you have exactly one chance to get someone's attention in the complex and ever-changing media universe. You don't get their attention by being vanilla.
4. Acting and refining, rather than paralysis by analysis. By the time you've done your research, run the ads by your carefully orchestrated focus groups, ensured everything is kosher with legal, you're months behind the times. Get started now, measure the results, learn and refine. 
5. Practicing--and perfecting--agility. So you don't get run over by the competitor you never saw, or miss the opportunity that just passed by. The marketing universe is complex--hell, advertising on Amazon, and keeping up with the changes on that platform, could eat one marketing specialist's entire life. Same for AdWords. Same for Facebook. Change is the only constant.
 
And hence the working title: Lost in the Crowd: How You (and Your Agency) Conspire to Fail
 
Yes, it's negative. And hence different. And hence #3. 
 
So, in addition to Schiit Happens, I'll torture you with some chapters from the marketing book--if you're game. If you're not, let me know, and I'll forever keep my peace (and the book will pop up elsewhere, when it's done.) 
 
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Jan 13, 2016 at 12:39 AM Post #9,757 of 151,795
   
Same reason I never had many MP3s ... why spend a lot of time making junk that's usually not worth listening to? 
 
The RME ADI-2 and some of the other pro-grade gear you listed does not have lowly RCA inputs ... how are you getting the signal from the phono pre-amp to the ADC ? Or do you have/recommend a phono-preamp that has balanced XLR outputs ?

 
Sorry, I didn't notice this post.  You can just use RCA to XLR or TS (tip sleeve) adapters.  Two of these will do just fine.
 
Jan 13, 2016 at 3:49 AM Post #9,758 of 151,795

Busting out at the Seams, 
 
Phewwww,  I think I saw this in the last group of Schiit images someone posted here.  
 
Can't be helped, gotta find more space.  
 
Well, folks appreciate Schiit designs and Schiit Integrity.   I've discovered various Schiit products across the Globe, which seems amazing in light of Schiit being an under 10,000 sq,ft. outfit with a funny name.  Talk headphones with anyone, anywhere and pretty soon Schiit will enter the conversations.  People even seem to remember the Company name if not the product names or spellings. (even my CEO knows your name and told a funny story about y'all)    
 
4 locations in how many years?, is it only 6 years? Hmm.    I wonder if tripling to 30,000 could hold off another move for two years or more.  It don't get easier as a person gets older and crankier.  And all that new expense of additional shelving and fixturing. 
 
I suppose you have plenty of new designs to base this future on, like the one I just last night offered to order : Asgard 3, that Professor Baldr said only 3 of which were produced but sold.   I want it to be a single Twin-Triode design, Class-A with 3,000 milliwatts, auto biasing, auto heater voltage adjust, 1.5 Amps heater available, linear power supply and a Balance control.  ( a tube roller's Dream Amp )  Asgard 3 will be my next POS (piece of Schiit), hopefully it will debut for around $400 +/- .   I'll order it with the LISST and standard Twin Triode Tube plus another set of PYST cables ( hopefully Schiit Branded ) for a final order price around $500+/-. ( am I hoping for too much ?)
 
Hewlett Packard started in a Garage ( or was it a shed ?, no matter ).  Asgard starting in a Garage is a nice story that folks will be telling, one day, decades from now.  
 
Fingers crossed & Charge Ahead.  
 
Prior Preparation Prevents Poor Performances.  Gotta prepare for the future!
 
Tony in Michigan
 
Jan 13, 2016 at 4:48 AM Post #9,759 of 151,795
Jason,

The marketing book is a typically Schiity idea and I can't wait to read it.

Something that you may want to consider, or that at least would be helpful to me, would be something about the transition of mindset between wage work and the mindset required to actually make products or services and sell them for money. I'm having an incredibly difficult time overcoming the lower working class attitude toward work that I grew up with that says that a secure hourly is the treasure and that owning a company is something that wealthy people who can afford the risk can do.

I'm writing my first novel with plans to self-publish and it has taken so much effort and willpower to realize that, yes, I am able to offer a product to the world that requires more than just showing up somewhere, punching a clock, and just collecting a check. This is all part of getting my finances straightened out so I can be in a position to finally (in my 40s) get that art/design degree and start making things and selling them.

That climb is so hard when you quite literally have no easy access to role models that show you the ropes and, more importantly, reassure you that you're not entirely crazy if you want to create products or services for money.
 
Jan 13, 2016 at 9:10 AM Post #9,760 of 151,795
" Schitty Marketing" I definitely would read that. It would be an interesting Point of view from someone who Has one leg in the Marketing world as well as in a successful business.
 
 
 
disastermouse. - Robert Kiyosaki wrote a book a while back called Rich Dad Poor dad which goes into some detail about the difference in mindsets of  "wage workers" ,business owners and Investors. It may not be the end all be all, but it is a good starting place. 
 
Jan 13, 2016 at 10:07 AM Post #9,761 of 151,795
  " Schitty Marketing" I definitely would read that. It would be an interesting Point of view from someone who Has one leg in the Marketing world as well as in a successful business.
 
 
 
disastermouse. - Robert Kiyosaki wrote a book a while back called Rich Dad Poor dad which goes into some detail about the difference in mindsets of  "wage workers" ,business owners and Investors. It may not be the end all be all, but it is a good starting place. 


I'm familiar with that book. Way too scammy - the guy, not the book. That's not the life I want, investment and real estate and making money in the shifting of things that other people have made. I mean, I'm sure it's good work if you can make it, but it's soulless.
 
Ultimately, I want to start a worker's cooperative and a Marxist political party based around it. I want to learn more about the mindset that goes from worker, alienated from management and basically just renting your life in small chunks, to creating and helping others create together to put an ownership stake into labor. Jobs don't go overseas when you own the job. Capital isn't extracted from communities when profits go directly back to the people in the community. It also gets rid of the huge disincentive-izing nature of wage labor. From a purely capitalist standpoint, the laborer gains by doing as little as possible for as much money as possible. He doesn't care about the health of the company because he doesn't have any stake in it and he's usually so de-skilled that his labor can be applied just about anywhere and for similar rates. His fellow laborers and the unemployed that should be his natural allies become his enemies in this hugely unnatural resource allocation scheme.
 
Making money purely off assets serves capital, but it doesn't really serve the human being and it certainly doesn't serve the system itself very well. It distorts incentives, heavily imbalances the actual work needed to get things made and services provided, and alienates the laborer from any feeling of meaningful participation in creation. 
 
I'd like to have a small part in the overthrow of that system, because it is woefully inadequate in solving the problems it creates.
 
Anyway, as an individual entrepreneur, I don't want to be responsible for that sort of exploitation and I don't want the limited engagement of employment that this sort of system provides either. 
 
None of this is an indictment of Schiit. I imagine the place is run like a benign dictatorship (more efficient than what I'm looking to build eventually) and the employee input is significant and meaningful. That sort of company is great, but let's face it, if wage work was really that great, Jason and Mike would be doing that and not owning a company. Now imagine a company where everyone who worked there was as invested in the success of the place as Mike and Jason. You can get close to that with employees (if they can offload the dissonance of building someone else's dream), but the best ones will leave and start their own things.
 
Jan 13, 2016 at 10:10 AM Post #9,762 of 151,795
Bring on the marketing book.  And congrats on having an extended selling season!  And please remember to post the sad news of accidentally black Yggdrasil's showing up so I can grab one. 
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Jan 13, 2016 at 10:11 AM Post #9,763 of 151,795
@ Jason:
I enjoy best your product development tales.  Your initial impetus, design choices, false turns, bumps in the road, impacting events along the way...  Any of those stories left in the bag?  Have you ever discussed the circlotron path to glory?  Most likely your amp design chops didn't begin there. 
 
Jan 13, 2016 at 10:26 AM Post #9,764 of 151,795
  Ultimately, I want to start a worker's cooperative and a Marxist political party based around it. I want to learn more about the mindset that goes from worker, alienated from management and basically just renting your life in small chunks, to creating and helping others create together to put an ownership stake into labor.

 
Right arm, brother! 
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   The owner/CEO of a Dutch company I used to work for once told me that those kind of social enterprise businesses are called foundations, where the profits are reinvested back into the local community to provide more jobs, etc.  Evidently it happens quite a bit more in Europe than is ever realized in our capitalistic shareholder profit driven based economy on this side of the pond. 
 
Jan 13, 2016 at 11:00 AM Post #9,765 of 151,795
Jason,

The marketing book is a typically Schiity idea and I can't wait to read it.

Something that you may want to consider, or that at least would be helpful to me, would be something about the transition of mindset between wage work and the mindset required to actually make products or services and sell them for money. I'm having an incredibly difficult time overcoming the lower working class attitude toward work that I grew up with that says that a secure hourly is the treasure and that owning a company is something that wealthy people who can afford the risk can do.

I'm writing my first novel with plans to self-publish and it has taken so much effort and willpower to realize that, yes, I am able to offer a product to the world that requires more than just showing up somewhere, punching a clock, and just collecting a check. This is all part of getting my finances straightened out so I can be in a position to finally (in my 40s) get that art/design degree and start making things and selling them.

That climb is so hard when you quite literally have no easy access to role models that show you the ropes and, more importantly, reassure you that you're not entirely crazy if you want to create products or services for money.


Yep, actually I did have that chapter planned--about "what to do in transition," because that's usually the scariest part. That was going to be part of Schiit Happens, to answer some questions like, "What happens if I don't have $1 million in venture capital to start up? What happens if I don't have 2 years I can spend salary-free on a new business?" Both are really good questions, and get to the heart of why most people don't have their own business. The answers I have may help...but (as you may have guessed) they will require plenty of hard work. 
 
Congrats on the novel! And--it's funny--my wife and her writing partner go to writing conventions pretty often, and they've remarked on how the major publishers now get responses like "Why would I want to make LESS money if I sign with you?" from people who are self-publishing. That's another business that has changed radically in the last 5 years--from the "prestige" of being published by a big name to the reality of not being able to eat on what the big name is paying. And that's what happens when the publishers do nothing except provide an editor and a cover, and let the book sink or swim with no other support. Funny, you'd think they'd want to market the book...but then again, look at what happened to the music industry...
 
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