Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up
Oct 21, 2014 at 7:56 PM Post #3,391 of 151,562
"...I read in Stereophile..."

You shouldn't read that. You'll find more honest information in the National Inquirer.
 
Oct 21, 2014 at 8:32 PM Post #3,392 of 151,562
Your anti China rant is pretty misplaced and I might say uninformed. The vast majority of consumer electronics available in the US is made in China or from components sourced from China. Relax.
 
Oct 21, 2014 at 8:38 PM Post #3,393 of 151,562

R2R , weeeeellllll ,   maybe ,   why are resistor ladder so pricy ?  , if they are .   
 
I've made resistor ladders , and inductance ladders and capacitive ladders .  
 
Betcha Alps or someone like them have a ladder on offer , somewhere .  
 
I rather think it's the clock requirements that bend the budget , maybe somebody holds the Clock patents and maybe sup Picosecond clocks are too much commitment for a consumer product .  
 
I'm only guessing , of course .  
 
I'll wait for Professor Mike's piece before I make the call to Watsonville .
 
Tony in Michingan
 
Oct 21, 2014 at 9:46 PM Post #3,394 of 151,562
 
R2R , weeeeellllll ,   maybe ,   why are resistor ladder so pricy ?  , if they are .   
 
I've made resistor ladders , and inductance ladders and capacitive ladders .  

 
You haven't made resistor ladders to DAC requirements.  Getting enough bits out of a resistor ladder (in other words, getting sufficient dynamic range, low noise, etc.) depends on matching resistors to incredibly fine tolerances.  This involves not only the tightest manufacturing tolerances, but time consuming manual testing and matching (unless someone has figured out how to automate the process, but I haven't heard of that).  So the price is indicative of the difficult manufacturing process requirements and time spent on manual testing and matching for each of many resistors in every DAC.
 
Oct 21, 2014 at 10:02 PM Post #3,395 of 151,562
Or you could buy this ladder implementation: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendors-bazaar/259488-reference-dac-module-discrete-r-2r-sign-magnitude-24-bit-384-khz.html
 
Oct 21, 2014 at 10:10 PM Post #3,396 of 151,562
Or you could buy this ladder implementation: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendors-bazaar/259488-reference-dac-module-discrete-r-2r-sign-magnitude-24-bit-384-khz.html

 
Unfortunately, no.  He won't get the claimed resolution, as he's calculated that incorrectly.  Also, AFAIK, it isn't actually available yet.
 
Re the necessary resolution, and that it won't meet the claim:
 
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/direct-stream-digital-or-not-direct-stream-digital-16093/index35.html#post358499
 
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/direct-stream-digital-or-not-direct-stream-digital-16093/index36.html#post358631
 
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/direct-stream-digital-or-not-direct-stream-digital-16093/index36.html#post358644
 
(The last link is from a maker of an R2R DAC, and has some general information about the cost and difficulty involved.)
 
Oct 21, 2014 at 10:13 PM Post #3,397 of 151,562
Thank you , 
 
That explains it , as it's explained by the guys that sell the DACs and the Competition that offer other solutions . 
But , it doesn't explain the Processor in my iMac , Intel make it , it's outrageously complex , I can buy a box of em for much less than the iMac ( $2,000 ) .   
 
I'm in manufacturing , I'll accept the idea that the things can be and are manufactured , somewhere , therefor : the process can be developed to make the things economically as they have for Intel processing chips . 
 
A greater reality might be that Apple and iTunes people feel the consumer is happy enough with low resolution , why bother with better , at least for now .  
 
When the time comes , if it does , someone like Intel will have that ladder built into the sound chip and all will be wonderful , poof , problem solved .  
 
Until then , we'll ( I ) will be be Paying MSB in Watsonville $10,000 for a basic Ladder DAC ( providing the Yggy doesn't measure up like I hope it will ) .  
 
Tony in Michigan 
 
Oct 21, 2014 at 10:42 PM Post #3,398 of 151,562
The China bit is a bit of a half truth as the Western countries went and handed over business. The Chinese never took it as it was handed to them.

I bought a Made in Australia fridge for $700 more than a Thailand built fridge. My speakers are Made in Melbourne too and cost a pretty penny more than a lot of established brands.

Unfettered capitalism rarely ends well as in one of Top Gear episodes Jeremy Clarkson laments that the British now don't manufacture anything and are paying a price with high unemployment.

How many people know that Aston Martin is Kuwaiti, Porsche a quarter owned by UAE, Jaguar and Land Rover are Indian.
 
Oct 22, 2014 at 1:08 AM Post #3,401 of 151,562
 
It's not that far off topic .   
Sennheiser as an example :    Sennheiser commits to support for LIFETIME  ! 
 
We in the States have outfits that source in China who's products are not at all supportable , we call these products "throw aways" , meaning you throw them away when they don't work .   China sourced products are price driven not long term ownership driven . 
 
Has anyone ever shipped anything back to China for service ? .  Please , anyone , pitch in here , can China stuff be serviced ?
  Apple will support their China made stuff , for a time but for how long ? Who else does this ?  Canon ?  Usually these outfits just replace with a new fresh item and let it go at that  .   
 
Can anyone think that they could even locate the China outfit that actually made the item ?  
 
This is one of the KEY basis points behind the Schiit outfit proving that traditional local manufacturing can compete with the Chinese products and why so many little people are proud to own Schiit .  The headphone club meets are filled with Schiit stuff and people planning to buy more ( including me )  and why I want a T-shirt with the Schiit logo on it ( no slogans or product name )  just "Made in USA" in small letters !  It's not just Patriotism it's us little people being able , it's us little people being successful , it's us little people proving to the world that : "we are in fact good enough to do quality work" .   
  
Schiit is our way of giving the finger to those outfits that sent our work overseas ,  so , I suppose , "i'm mad as Hell and I'm doing something about it" .   
 
On top of all that , I want Schiit Headphones , Schiit Clothes , Schiit tires for my Bicycle and a Schiit bicycle and everything else the Corporations make overseas . 
 
Sorry , but not quite , for the RANT 
 
Tony in Michigan 


Amen to that! The USA CAN produce competitive products at a competitive price if they put their mind to it. Schiit proves that. Great products, great prices AND great customer service! Go Schiit!
 
Oct 22, 2014 at 6:50 AM Post #3,402 of 151,562
  Where the h3ll is Jason?  Will SOMEONE get this thread back on track?

 
Two things I'd like to know more about:
 
- Anyone who heard Yggy at RMAF (was it set up for listening?), what'd you think?
 
- Is Yggy an R2R ladder DAC?  (Sorry for being thick about this, but I don't remember seeing definite confirmation.)
 
Oct 22, 2014 at 7:22 AM Post #3,403 of 151,562
   
Two things I'd like to know more about:
 
- Anyone who heard Yggy at RMAF (was it set up for listening?), what'd you think?
 
- Is Yggy an R2R ladder DAC?  (Sorry for being thick about this, but I don't remember seeing definite confirmation.)

 
- I would also like to hear impressions
 
- Yes, though the DAC itself has not yet been announced.
 
Oct 22, 2014 at 10:37 AM Post #3,405 of 151,562
Chapter 34:
You Want to Pay How Much? Or, How We Moved Again
 
This is probably how a “real” company decides to move their operations:
 
  • Based on future plans and internal feedback, decides they need to have more space/less space/different space/different location (more tax favorable, etc).
  • Gets input from key management on the kind of space they need.
  • Surveys the available space in their target area with the help of an industrial lessor/realtor.
  • Weighs the options available and decides on one.
  • Plans well in advance for the business disruption of a move.
  • Has any build-out done, and a floor schematic ready, at the new office before the move commences.
  • Moves in to the new built-out, planned office space with minimum fuss and muss.
 
Here’s how we moved, late in 2013:
 
  • The landlord came to us and said, “Hey, we have someone who wants to buy the building you’re in. Can you move?”
  • I laughed and said “Sure, have them pay us a year’s rent for the business disruption.” Expecting them to laugh in return.
  • Unexpectedly, they paid, and we moved. Total time elapsed: about 2 months.
 
Yeah. There you go. We don’t do anything by the book.
 
Except there’s more to the story than that, which I’ll get into. But I want to riff on some of Mike’s comments about trusting your employees, rewarding them well, and thereby ending up with a highly motivated, self-policing team. Which plays into the move as well.
 
 
Condensed Employee Advice
 
Okay, you can take any number of shill courses on how best to motivate your employees—the bottom line of most being that “they want to be recognized and appreciated, more than just paid well.”
 
This is 100% total bullschiit.
 
Exactly two things motivate high-performing people:
 
  • Money.
  • Freedom.
 
That’s it. If you meet someone who really, truly believes their “employee of the month” cake is a big deal, or who thinks the free soft drinks are a sign that the company really loves you, or who’s a head cheerleader at the company’s monthly corporate pride rallies, or who says, “whatever they want to pay me is OK with me,” do this: run. Fast. This is not a person you want in a high-functioning company.
 
High-performing people know they’re good. They expect to be paid well. Period.
 
High-performing people also value freedom, such as flexible work hours. Sometimes this can be traded off against overall salary.
 
This tradeoff works very well in the agency world. Many creative directors would be happy with, say 75% of a top salary and truly flexible hours (work from home 4 days, come in 1 day, for example), rather than a top salary and the 12-hour/7-day grind of a typical agency.
 
This tradeoff works less well in a business that has to run during typical business hours, but, truth be told, there are no expected times of arrival or number of hours per day for anyone at Schiit. Our assembly team usually works nights, because they want to. Alex and tech usually work during the day, because they’re motivated to. And not vampires. Unlike our assemblers, who I sometimes wonder about.
 
So, how do you pay good salaries when you’re just starting up and money is tight? Great question. Tricky answers, too. Because the first temptation usually is to give away a percentage of the business. Which is exactly the worst thing you can do.
 
“What?” some of you are yelling now. “Why wouldn’t I show my trust in who I bring on by making them a partner? That way, both rewards and risks are shared.”
 
It also makes running the business much more complicated. Co-owners may be on a high for a while—until they find out the business isn’t going to do as well as they thought, and their portion of the profits is small…or non-existent. Co-owners also may share with each other their percentage…and it’s gonna be a bad day if the guy who got 2.5% thinks he’s more important than the lady who got 5%. And when the majority owner (or owners) have to outvote the minority owners on something, buckle up for a significant productivity hit…or even discord that could end up with partners exiting.
 
And when they exit, remember, you have to buy back their shares—either per your buy-sell agreement (you have this, right?) or by some kind of entrail-reading known as “professional business valuation.” Oh hey, the partner doesn’t agree with your valuator’s figures? Buckle down for a lawyer orgy, featuring painful forensic accounting, and “expert witness” tea-leaf prognostication of the company’s future value.
 
Bottom line: you’ll both pay lawyers, you’ll both lose, the lawyers have a party.
 
And I haven’t even gotten into the tax ramifications of giving away shares. It’s complex, painful, not pretty…and can be costly, for both you and the awardee.
 
And yes, having an agency for 20 years, and making this give-away-the-farm mistake more than once…it is, as they say, a “learning experience.”
 
 
Effective Motivation—Without Giving Away the Farm
 
Okay, so how do you create a high-functioning team without giving away parts of the company?
 
First, by realizing the extreme worth and intelligence of a motivated, engaged person. Don’t minimize their worth, and don’t insult their intelligence. If you don’t literally want to create everything by hand, yourself, you need great people.
 
Repeat after me:
 
  • Don’t minimize their worth.
  • Don’t insult their intelligence.
 
Now, say it again.
 
I had a boss in a former life who loved to do #1: go around saying, “Nobody is irreplaceable!” Usually after I offered an unpopular opinion or asked for more money. I had a business partner on the agency side who loved to do #2: “We’re doing this for you, we all have to make sacrifices.”
 
Riiiiigghhhhttt.
 
“Anyone can be replaced,” should be amended to “Anyone can be replaced, but there are people worth keeping, and be very, very scared of who might come after.”
 
“We’re doing this for you, we all have to make sacrifices,” should just be banned from ever being said. Any person with more than a few active neurons know you’re doing it for the company, and that people who are laid off are making a much bigger sacrifice than you are. Just say it like it is, do what needs to be done, and treat everyone like an adult, not a child.
 
So what do you do?
 
  • Tell the truth and keep your promises. Okay, you’re just getting started. You can’t pay someone what they’re worth on the open market. But if they believe in your company and its potential, they may start for less, and bet on the promise of future rewards. But let them know exactly how it is, and set some dates and measurements on when they can begin seeing the rewards. If you don’t meet goals, let them know, and don’t sugar-coat it. But, always, always, always keep your promises. Because it’s gonna get really ugly if you forget about them and buy a new Mercedes first. Remember: good people aren’t dumb.
  • Provide personal motivation. And by “motivation,” I mean money. This is the better way. Start with a livable salary, and add bonuses that are based on visible personal or company metrics. Number of products shipped. Number of products built. A bonus on experimenting with, and getting the company into a new channel. Royalties for products developed on the side. Stuff that can be translated into dollars, without having to reconcile profit, and without having to resort to nebulous proclamations like, “If we’re doing well.” This is really the best way to do things—and it is the best way to get your company running at a 5-10x productivity advantage, relative to the “norm.”
 
Schiit has done both of the above. The result? A recent meeting with the city economic development manager revealed our sales, etc (we’re going for becoming a duty-free export zone). He said, “Oh, you must have about 40-50 employees, then.”
 
“We have 6,” I told him.
 
The guy nearly fell on the floor. “How do you do it?”
 
I told him (pretty much the same as above.) He shook his head. “That would never work in most companies.”
 
I disagreed. It has worked everywhere I’ve applied it, without exception. The key is getting smart, motivated people to start with. And that, as I’ve explained in previous chapters, is less of a “checking off things on a resume” thing, and more of a “gut reaction” thing. Every time I’ve ignored my gut, I’ve screwed myself.
 
So, how weird are we, besides breaking the productivity/employee ratio really badly? Let’s look at 2 other figures.
 
  • We don’t have a sales department at all (something I realized when writing last week’s chapter.) There’s not one single “salesperson” here. Nobody to pimp us out to dealers or distributors, either. Nor anyone on contract.
  • We spend only about 0.2% of our revenue on marketing. That’s 10X less than the smallest figure advised for startups, and 50x less than what’s considered “typical” for a sustaining company.
 
So much for us being “just a marketing and sales company.”
 
Bottom line: your people matter, and your customers matter. Treat them both right. Don’t insult their intelligence, and know their value. Do that (for real), and you don’t have to do the normal BS babysitting/micromanaging/spoon-feeding/infighting/sales/shilling/promo/hype thing.
 
And, I think, your life will be a lot more sane.
 
 
One Other Overlooked Rule
 
I had the surreal experience of going through the first Great Internet Boom, and seeing what happens when companies get way too much of Other People’s Money. Celebrity chefs making lunch for everyone everyday. Any drink or snack they wanted. Playrooms full of arcade games, bean bag chairs, and foosball tables. You know, stuff like that. Perks.
 
Except, when things started to get tight, when the investors started getting nervous about cash burn, what did they do? They started taking these things away.
 
And what happened after that? Yeah, you guessed it. The best and brightest smelled blood, and made their exit. The downward spiral in many companies was started by the lack of free Red Bull.
 
So here’s the rule: once you give something, never take it away.
 
If you have free food and drinks, they have to stay, forever. No matter how bad things are going. If you have free daycare and company cars, they have to stay, forever.
 
So…the corollary is…don’t give them. Motivate your team with individual, easily quantifiable bonuses, and let them make tons of money for their own Red Bull, daycare, etc. That always works. And if the bonuses are based on visible metrics, there won’t be any complaints if the metrics end up sliding.
 
 
So, On This Move Thing?
 
Why is the above employee motivational blather important? Well, beyond the productivity advantage outlined above, it also made for a smooth, uneventful transition into the new space. Because Mike and I don’t have to babysit anyone, we were involved at only two points:
 
  • Looking at the available space (with Alex.)
  • Showing up when the move was complete.
 
That’s it. Fully empowered employees take care of everything else—including finding and booking the movers, packing things up, unpacking and getting set back up, arranging things once we were there, buying things we didn’t have, etc.
 
And…they were ready to move. The place was packed and overflowing. We wouldn’t have been there much longer if there’d been no buyer. It just moved up the timeline about 3 months.
 
Looking at the space was fun. We were in the market for, as I told our real estate guy, “Something 3000 to 5000 square feet,” which would give us 1.5-2.5x as much space as the old place. I expected to see a long list of candidates, since Valencia Industrial Center is the largest industrial development in Southern California, and 3K to 5K is above the starter spaces and below the 20K-100K foot boxes.
 
And the list was pretty long…until we got to particulars.
 
The one particular that broke the back of most of the candidates was “air conditioned throughout.” Most industrial spaces have AC only in the office section, while the warehouse remains uncooled (and, in some cases, unheated.) This is less than great in 110 degree summer days.
 
So our list of about 40 candidate spaces was reduced a bit. And by, “A bit,” I mean, it went down to 2.
 
Yes, 2.
 
Both spaces were in the same building, and right next to each other. I went through both of them with Alex and the realtor. One was just over 3000 square feet, one was about 5300. The 3000 SF space looked pretty much like the ideal place for us, except for one thing: a lot of these concrete tilt-up boxes have office built out in two levels up front, so you have upstairs and downstairs offices. Upstairs is useless to us (imagine carting products up and down stairs all day.) So, the 3K space really didn’t net us as big an increase in usable floor area as it seemed.
 
The 5.3K space? It looked stupidly huge. I mean, ridiculously, cavernously huge. Bigger than Theta was at its peak. Bigger than Sumo. (Though not bigger than Centric during the dot com boom, which was in a converted 7200 SF industrial building. How I wish we’d have stayed there.)
 
But 5.3K? That was silly. Even with the office buildout upstairs, there was no way we’d ever use all that space. I mean, really, we were a small manufacturer, right?
But it definitely had the floor area we needed, and more. It also had a glassed-off area that would be perfect for tech.
 
So, after another visit with Mike, we made them a lowball offer, and got it.
 
And yeah, I’ve said before that you shouldn’t haggle, etc, but this was more in line with bringing the price down to reality. It’s a 1980s building, not super well-kept, and the landlords were loathe to do anything at all to it—not even the usual new-paint-and-carpet deal you usually get when you sign a lease. So I said, “We’ll take it, no tenant improvement, at this rate.”
 
They jumped on it, and the rest was history.
 
The actual move took place as Mike and I were at RMAF 2013. We left for Can-Jam, and came back to a different building.
 
And that’s when the reality started setting in. This “huge” space turned out not to be so huge at all. With all the stuff we’d packed into the old building on the floor, there was a lot less space than I thought. It wasn’t disturbing, as in “having to look at moving immediately” disturbing, but we definitely didn’t have as much space to grow as I’d expected.
 
So what to do? Alex suggested racking the place out, so we could stack chassis and packaging up three levels high. Shortly before the end of the year, that’s exactly what we did—and that’s when we started to look like a real company.
 
And what would we do with all of that space upstairs? Sure, I could take an office up there, but Mike hated the heat, and didn’t want one. The bullpen area would be essentially useless as a listening room.
 
Rina came to our rescue. Her own business, Twilight’s Fancy, was growing too big for our house (now, we can claim 2 businesses launched there—one in a garage, and one in a spare bedroom…).
 
“I’ll take the upstairs,” she said. “I’ll sublease from you.”
 
“How much of it?” I asked, remembering the adage that “a turtle always grows to the size of its tank.”
 
“As much as you’ll let me have.”
 
Hmm. That saying really had me sweating now. Rina’s business is space-intensive, and she is, ah, well, apt to, um, disarray. And piles.
 
“Let me think about it.”
 
After some discussion, we came to an agreement where she took one of the upstairs offices, and much of the bullpen. So now we share our building with a seller of jewelry findings and ribbon chokers. Makes perfect sense, in a way.
 
 
What We Didn’t Do
 
Our new home, or “The Schiitbox,” as we call it (appropriate for a concrete tilt-up) was big, but it wasn’t opulent. The upstairs is carpeted with somewhat-worn, medium-blue industrial carpet that may have been the cat’s pajamas in the early 1990s. The downstairs is pure concrete floor, concrete walls, and sheetrock. The windows don’t open, there are no balconies, walls are painted utilitarian white.
 
In the peak agency days, this wouldn’t have stood. We would have ripped out walls, done new carpets, gotten rid of the drop ceilings, bought new desks, and generally gone on a remodeling spree to make it something we could be proud of.
 
At Schiit, we did none of that. The same ugly carpet, concrete walls, and white paint remain. We did put up some pictures, but that’s about it. Alex’s “office” is a desk downstairs by the side door (we don’t use the front door, that’s Mike’s office now.) We pulled the brand-new, nice carpet out of the tech area so it wouldn’t be a static threat, and left the bare concrete with glue marks.
 
We did, however, finally buy a full-sized refrigerator.
 
And racks. And desks. And more racks, as we expanded. And more test equipment. And shipping tables.
 
Why the focus on utility? Because we’re not a listening room, a lounge, or anywhere you would want to hang out (well, unless you’re super-geeky.)
 
And…because, when you have smart, engaged, motivated employees, it doesn’t really matter. They think it’s funny. They’re thrilled to help us grow. And growth doesn’t come from Hermann Miller chairs and Steelcase desks and faux-finish paint and $600 LED lamps.
 
It comes from, as Mike said, giving a schiit.
 
Coda: We recently took the space next to ours, bringing us up to about 8300 square feet. The landlord was as cheap as ever. The carpet is as ugly as it’s always been. We needed the space for the Ragnarok/Yggdrasil lines, and some other future plans…
 
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