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Interesting. So what are your thoughts on either?
Schiit Freya Impressions and Tube Rolling Thread
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Both combos are excellent . Slight nod to Schiit on clarity, resolution. I feel the Rogue is better at lower volume levels though in detail retrieval .
Both have a nice and wide soundstage . Even .
For more raucous music like punk or rock , I like the Rogue . It kicks ass . For , jazz , vocals , I prefer the Schiit .
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The Vidars in mono are 400 watts into 8 ohms.
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Yep and the Rogue amp at 100 watts of tube power is still more powerful .
Fatmiddleagedgeek
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That’s EXACTLY the type of response I’m looking for. Low volume retrieval is a big deal (though yes my Marantz has tone controls and a loudness button). Do you find that tube rolling the Schiit really pays off or is it more incremental?
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Watts are watts, and tube watts, although the even harmonic content can sound more comforting when played loud, the are still bound by the same general measurement. The Rogue Sphinx has 2 preamp tubes and class D output power, not tube.
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The stock tubes were garbage . Yes I would say tube rolling pays off . I have Shuangang Treasure tubes in now are they sound great .
I suspect you could tube roll with Rogue but the Tung Sols they use are great .
Both Rogue and Schiit are great companies to deal with .
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Right which is where my rabbit hole started (tube+SS). We’ve been taking about the Cronus Magnum 2.
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Perfect. I really appreciate your insight. This gives me a frame of reference as I have heard the Cronus.
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I preferred the Cronos to the Primaluna integrated amp I had before it . By a good margin .
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As a tube amp grease freak for about 50 years (albeit guitar amps mostly as a "working" musician) I always recommend tubes since they're more fun because they glow, you can look at them (take a transistor out and look at it…wait…no do not do that), change the tone of your amp by rolling them, and bore the daylights out of your "we don't care about audio" friends by ranting about your tubes.
To add to this discussion and put a little different spin on it.... If you change your transducers it makes a huge difference for the positive or negative. I changed my speakers to the Zu Omen IIs this weekend and it has nullified the need to seek another preamp. I was looking at the Don Sach's Model 2 and the Hattor Audio passive pre w/ tube stage. I'm not wanting to change now..... I previously had the Ascend Acoustics Sierra-2 and I'm using a First Watt J2 as my amp.
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Fatmiddleagedgeek
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I really like my speakers. On another forum I got badgered about swapping speakers. They will be around a while. I was taught to buy speakers and then pick amplification that suits said speakers. Which is what I’m aiming at.
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Regarding low level listening, a Schiit Loki EQ is great for low level stuff and keeping the dreaded Fletcher Munson out of your earballs. I've had one of these for a while and it's generally out of the loop (literally), but when you need to fix a mix or listen at low level it's a cool el-cheapo gizmo…and seems utterly transparent when switched in and out. It's small enough that you can hide it from you elitist purist friends…they'll never know.
Fatmiddleagedgeek
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No friends really. I’m definitrly not against using one. I try not to to tune the room as best I can. Then sweeten.
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