rolled some fuses - this is what I heard

[IPodPJ]

I'm very inclined to try one. I was extremely skeptical about power cords making a difference. Once I got mine and plugged it in to my amp, everything changed. It sounded like I have a whole new source. Triple the dimensionality/depth/imaging, much less distortion, lower noise flower, blacker background, bass bloat = gone, overall improvement, etc... So it does not surprise me one bit that you can get an improvement by rolling the fuse.

Woohoo!!! 2,000th post!

 

[stevenkelby]

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Originally Posted by IPodPJ /img/forum/go_quote.gif I'm very inclined to try one. I was extremely skeptical about power cords making a difference. Once I got mine and plugged it in to my amp, everything changed. It sounded like I have a whole new source. Triple the dimensionality/depth/imaging, much less distortion, lower noise flower, blacker background, bass bloat = gone, overall improvement, etc... So it does not surprise me one bit that you can get an improvement by rolling the fuse. Woohoo!!! 2,000th post!

See, I do believe you. You have no need to lie and I am very curious to hear it too. No fuses in my system other than TT fuse though, and that just turns the motor (very well), doesn't actually affect the signal.

How confident are you that it's real, can you have a friend swap fuses without you knowing which is which and record the results? It's not DBT but it's something. Would you be interested in that? I probably wouldn't TBH as I know a difference when I hear it and don't want to waste time with DBT, if I need a DBT to tell the difference, the difference is too small to worry about!

 

[IPodPJ]

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Originally Posted by stevenkelby /img/forum/go_quote.gif See, I do believe you. You have no need to lie and I am very curious to hear it too. No fuses in my system other than TT fuse though, and that just turns the motor (very well), doesn't actually affect the signal. How confident are you that it's real, can you have a friend swap fuses without you knowing which is which and record the results? It's not DBT but it's something. Would you be interested in that? I probably wouldn't TBH as I know a difference when I hear it and don't want to waste time with DBT, if I need a DBT to tell the difference, the difference is too small to worry about!

I haven't swapped fuses. I'm not sure if I'm going to open up my Opera and do it. If I get daring I will. But I certainly want to. It just seems like a bit of work to take this amp apart.

What I was talking about was my Cobalt Cable Ultimate Power cord ($120). And as far as knowing if what I hear is a real difference, I would be willing to bet my entire headphone rig that what I am hearing is not anything close to Placebo. The audible difference of this power cord vs. a stock power cord is about five times as great as the difference between stock interconnects and good interconnects. Now I understand why people spend thousands on power cords. I am kind of scared to try out the one Virtual Dynamics is going to loan me which is a $4,150 cord (Master LE 2.0). I usually make it a rule to never try out a product I can't afford to buy. But hey, he says they negotiate prices.

 

[Vul Kuolun]

@stevenkelby:

I'm not sure if was successfull in making my point clear enough.

I'm not saying we know everything about electricity. I'm saying it's of no interest at all if electricity has attributes we don't know about.

We're using the water in the pipe for a specific purpose, with a specific machine that uses specific (known) atributes of water.

As long as we can build up enough water pressure to move the membrane of our headphone in the same rythm as the membrane of the microphone was moved at the moment of the sound-"event", it doesn't matter at all if you can colour the water red, bless it or flavour it with strawberry taste.

If any of the yet unknown atributes would have a consequence for the outcome, we would find out in the same moment we're matching input and output. The input is 100% known, which would unveil any unexpected anomaly.

 

[stevenkelby]

Sorry, I know you were talking about the power cord, should have been clearer. I would love to try a power cord but have no components that use them! Maybe my PC

You should definitely swap the fuse in the Opera, it will be easy and could be worthwhile. Plus, they aren't that expensive in the grand scheme of things.

Vul, I see your point now but still think it's naive to say things like "The input is 100% known" when it may not be.

 

[IPodPJ]

I take it Vul is a disbeliever. Maybe he isn't taking into account things like harmonics, non-consistent waveforms, electron flow, etc. It's okay to be a skeptic but don't dismiss what you don't understand and especially haven't heard.

I made this mistake initially by insulting Virtual Dynamics, who happen to be very nice people. Whether or not their cables may be worth the asking price is still up in the air and I'll know when I try it. But I know now not to dismiss anything until I try it because in audio, everything you think you know at any given time you don't. It only winds up making you look like an ass later.

PJ = ass

Now I need a power conditioner.

 

[Vul Kuolun]

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Originally Posted by stevenkelby /img/forum/go_quote.gif Vul, I see your point now but still think it's naive to say things like "The input is 100% known" when it may not be.

Think again. You're saying we record, store, process and reproduce an unknown atribute of electricity (by accident !) that is not measurable, but audible?

Your ear is not a kind of multitester. It is responsive to variations in air pressure levels, in a very narrow range. So we have two extremely unlikely fortuities to come together to make the hypothsis possible at all:

1. The yet unknown possibility of electricity to store a yet unmeasurable atribute
2. The yet unknown ability of the ear to perceive exactly this atribute

Thinking of the fact that this should happen accidently, when all the sophisticated equipment you use had to be cumbersome developed and brought to perfection to reproduce the simple known elements seems very naive to me.

 

[Vul Kuolun]

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Originally Posted by IPodPJ /img/forum/go_quote.gif I take it Vul is a disbeliever. Maybe he isn't taking into account things like harmonics, non-consistent waveforms, electron flow, etc. It's okay to be a skeptic but don't dismiss what you don't understand and especially haven't heard.

Oh boy. Don't get me started about people who talk about things they don't know about.

I'm sure you have a lot to contribute to harmonics, non-consistent waveforms and electron flow.

Please respond to my points, or don't use my name. Thank you.

 

[stevenkelby]

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Originally Posted by Vul Kuolun /img/forum/go_quote.gif You're saying we record, store, process and reproduce an unknown atribute of electricity (by accident !) that is not measurable, but audible?

Absolutely, positively, definitely, 100% possibly yes!

Possibly not too, but it would be foolish to believe it's not possible.

 

[IPodPJ]

What a yutz.

 

[stevenkelby]

Yeah I'm out of this thread.

No point trying to teach a pig to sing. Wastes your time and upsets the pig.

Note, I'm not calling anyone a pig, it's an analogy.

Smell you later.

 

[Vul Kuolun]

If you can't attack the argument, attack the man. Not the most intelligent strategy.

 

[IPodPJ]

What's to attack? Why don't you listen to some of the electronics we are talking about and then give your opinion.

 

[slwiser]

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Originally Posted by stevenkelby /img/forum/go_quote.gif Absolutely, positively, definitely, 100% possibly yes! Possibly not too, but it would be foolish to believe it's not possible.

Here I go again with engineering concepts but here is another one.

First order relationships are what we normally use in our "a wire is a wire" discussions. Second order relationships are real but are not fully developed in understanding what is going on in our wires. Our ears are marvelous devices and the ears can and do resolve second order relationships which I know of no one that has been able to capture analytically yet. Maybe some high end cable builders with degrees in Electrical Engineering have investigated these and are working to provide solutions to those relationships. I just don't know who if anyone is working on the second and third order relationships.

First order approximations don't resolve many things very well. First order relationships are fine as a first cut. Many areas of engineering go much further than first order approximations to understand what is going on.

Let me make this clear...what I just wrote supposes the quote above. And I would go so far as to say 100% probability that we don't yet understand everything there is to know about "wire" in the audio train; to think otherwise would be foolish.

 

[Vul Kuolun]

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Originally Posted by slwiser /img/forum/go_quote.gif Here I go again with engineering concepts but here is another one. First order relationships are what we normally use in our "a wire is a wire" discussions. Second order relationships are real but are not fully developed in understanding what is going on in our wires. Our ears are marvelous devices and the ears can and do resolve second order relationships which I know of no one that has been able to capture analytically yet. Maybe some high end cable builders with degrees in Electrical Engineering have investigated these and are working to provide solutions to those relationships. I just don't know who if anyone is working on the second and third order relationships. First order approximations don't resolve many things very well. First order relationships are fine as a first cut. Many areas of engineering go much further than first order approximations to understand what is going on. Let me make this clear...what I just wrote supposes the quote above. And I would go so far as to say 100% probability that we don't yet understand everything there is to know about "wire" in the audio train; to think otherwise would be foolish.

To be honest, i don't really get what you mean with the relationships of different orders. Which makes the thing interesting. Could you please explain?

At last, we're measuring the movement of air during the recording process, and store it by shaping electricity in the same way as the air movement; which enables us to use this information to transform it to air movement again.

And again: We know what we put in. So where's the problem in comparing input vs. output? If the cable/ fuse may excell in a certain discipline we do not care for while recording, why should i care during reproduction?

But we've come a long way since the "crimp" in the power line (fuse) is supposedly limiting the performance of a device. Which interest should i have in any feature of the fuse other than transmitting 50Hz alternating current?