Riviera AIC-10 headphones & speakers amplifier
Jun 13, 2021 at 8:23 AM Post #121 of 1,912
Is this resistor there because of the volume knob? What if I order Riviera without one, I have seen them being called a “power amp”. I could then use the volume control on Bartok, would that work?

The resistor is to attenuate the power output from the HP XLR to what the designer has decided as 'appropriate' for headphones use, it is unrelated to the volume control. In fact, the AFC-10, i.e. the power amp version of the integrated AIC-10, has the same design to this respect AFAIK.

That said, using the AFC-10 with the Bartok as a digital preamp seems a nice idea for keeping the best overall transparency by avoiding a redundant volume control. A friend of mine did the same with the DAVE. I'd still go for the AIC-10 for improved versatility, though...
 
Jun 14, 2021 at 7:59 AM Post #123 of 1,912
@mammal I confirm the Riviera is very good with the TC via the headphones plug. There is plenty of volume available and the headphones are very well driven with robust, well defined bass.
My bet it is that if you try the speakers taps you will be hooked. The difference is clear to my ears. Tone, details and bass are the same but everything is a bit bigger and the “out of your head” feeling is addictive.
 
Jun 14, 2021 at 8:01 AM Post #124 of 1,912
@mammal I confirm the Riviera is very good with the TC via the headphones plug. There is plenty of volume available and the headphones are very well driven with robust, well defined bass.
My bet it is that if you try the speakers taps you will be hooked. The difference is clear to my ears. Tone, details and bass are the same but everything is a bit bigger and the “out of your head” feeling is addictive.
I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I guess my worry was that if absolutely no one thinks headphone plus was sufficient, I wouldn't consider the amp at all, as I do not like adapters to be honest. On the other side, everyone was telling me how much difference will I hear from Hugo TT2's XLR as opposed to SE (significant power difference). It seems that Riviera has the same power, just less components in the critical path when using speaker outs.
 
Jun 23, 2021 at 2:57 AM Post #125 of 1,912
For those who need XLR input on their Riviera, good news - the latest AIC-10 has selectable inputs (2x RCA, 1x XLR). Obviously, the amp internals are still the same. I have yet to hear how this is implemented (unbalancing the signal with a transformer, or by ignoring a pin instead).

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Jun 26, 2021 at 2:11 PM Post #130 of 1,912
Jun 29, 2021 at 6:27 PM Post #132 of 1,912
Thanks @BPED for opening this well deserved and long overdue thread!

The AIC-10 is becoming more and more popular among the ultra-high-end headphones enthusiasts, and I have yet to know somebody who has had it or listened to it thoroughly and wasn't impressed by its sound.

Of course, its price positioning was very ambitious from Riviera Labs, and this raises the bar of expectations to the rooftop, especially considering that in the price range of the AIC-10 you can find many legendary speaker amplifier models and brands, with much more well-established reputation and resale value.

I had the chance of auditioning the AIC-10 at home during my quest for the ultimate amplifier to pair with my AB-1266 headphones, a very enjoyable journey that took me little less than one year. I decided at the time to look mostly into speaker amps because I wanted to drive my LS3/5a as well, and because auditioning at home high end headphones amplifiers here in Italy is basically impossible, and I wanted to make my choice very carefully.

I have written several posts about my auditioning adventures in the Abyss thread and will not make this post even longer than what is getting to by recalling that saga, but in summary the reason why I chose the AIC-10 to pair with the Abyss is that it delivered the best traits of the very finest tube amps and solid state amps I tried in a relatively compact and practical package.

To my ears AIC-10 has bloom, body, richness, holographic presentation one normally tends to relate to tubes and grunt, scale, transparency, speed and bass / treble extension we normally find in the best SS products. The balance between this characteristics can further be adjusted to match taste, mood, and synergy with the remaining of the chain (headphones, to begin with).

Below you find a table with the ratings I have given to the amplifiers I tried over the last year or so. The light grey columns are where I listened in a setup nearly identical to mine, but only for a few hours, while the dark grey ones are shops / friends homes auditioning where the upstream chain to the amp / AB-1266 was different from mine (hence not very reliable). White columns relate to extensive listening at home. 10 does not mean 'perfect', but 'best' among the amplifiers listed, and it is specifically in the context of driving the Abyss AB-1266 Phi TC.

Of course, this ranking is very much specific to my system, subjective sound and musical genres preferences, so take it for what it is.

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The bottom line is that, to me, the AIC-10 can compete at or beyond its price range for driving the Abyss.

Other headphones I tried with the AIC-10 are the SR1a (which I own), the Susvara and the MySphere 3.2.

In all cases the results have been very satisfying, where:
- for the Susvara I had best results when using the speaker taps (as with the AB-1266) and a more neutral tube like my Fivre (while for the Abyss and SR1a I still like the Mullard CV491 tonal match the most);
- for the Mysphere, which I found an exquisite combination, I was using low-gain output and, again, my Fivre;
- for the SR1a the AIC-10 is not powerful enough to make this headphone full justice, while being an extremely fine tonality match and able to bring spectacular results with some specific genres.

Coming to loudspeakers, I was skeptical at the beginning because of the renowned inefficiency of my LS3/5a, but all was cleared when I tried the AIC-10 at home.
Again, the AIC-10 gives some soul and bloom to the LS3/5a by preserving their most classical virtues as the pinpoint imaging, vocal presentation and midrange purity.
SPL levels and dynamics (within the intrinsic limitations of this BBC design) are more than adequate to my room / preferences.

In summary (sorry guys for the long post), this is my pro / cons bullet list:

Pros:
- sound
- easy sound tailoring (rolling a single, relatively cheap, tube)
- practicality (not excessive size and heat - I leave it always on, has a remote)
- versatility (low / high efficiency headphones, loudspeakers)

Cons:
- price (hard to justify, especially if you are a frequent buyer / seller)
- elegant but a little understated design for my taste (at this price, I would have preferred a statement design, like the flashy ViVa Solista)

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out of curiosity how can an amp that is rated at 10 watts into 8 ohms possibly drive the sr1a?...also it is interesting that such a power rating can drive the susvara as well as it is suggested
 
Jun 30, 2021 at 2:25 AM Post #133 of 1,912
out of curiosity how can an amp that is rated at 10 watts into 8 ohms possibly drive the sr1a?...also it is interesting that such a power rating can drive the susvara as well as it is suggested

The AIC-10 is capable of delivering close to 20W RMS on 8ohm, of which the first 10W are pure class A, then moving to class AB functioning mode. Its power supply is oversized, custom designed by Riviera Labs and built by a specialist Italian high-end transformers manufacturer, and handles easily high current peaks. Finally, it has way of entering the clipping distortion close to how tube amps do (i.e. smoothly). All this combined together make the perceived power delivery by the AIC-10 surprisingly impressive.

That said, the AIC-10 could not drive the SR1a nearly close to their full potential, unfortunately.

As I am a relatively quiet listener (75-80dB typically), for acoustic, un-amplified material, like string quartets or chamber music, solo string instruments (violin, cello, guitar), and vocals, even some light jazz, the AIC-10 was able to provide a very satisfactory experience with the SR1a as the tonal balance was close to the best I have heard (of course, for my tastes).

However, outside that relatively small comfort zone, the AIC-10 was basically just not usable with the RAAL.

As for the Susvara, that is a totally different story. Once the speaker taps are used, the pairing worked wonderfully (my long-winded impressions are here: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/hifiman-susvara.853031/post-16112974).
I have tried the Susvara on much more powerful amps (up to 100Wpc) and did not find an improvement over the AIC-10 I could relate to mere additional power output, being the Viva Solista (25W) the best overall pairing I have experienced.
 
Jun 30, 2021 at 2:35 AM Post #134 of 1,912
The AIC-10 is capable of delivering close to 20W RMS on 8ohm, of which the first 10W are pure class A, then moving to class AB functioning mode.
Interesting how few companies actually market this publicly. Most of them just say how much it outputs in pure Class A and then claim in marketing materials it is a Class A amplifier, yet there is biasing towards A/B at some point, delivering even more powah! The same with my Bartok, ridicilously small numbers for Class A, but quite potent (for an amp in a dac) in A/B mode.
 
Jun 30, 2021 at 12:22 PM Post #135 of 1,912
the bakoon 13r rated at 25 watts is a beast with the susvara,best I have heard thus far along with my dave/blu2
 

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