REVIEW: Comparison of 5 High End Digital Music Servers - Aurender N10, CAD CAT server, TotalDac d1-Server, Auralic Aries, Audiophile Vortex Box

Dec 23, 2015 at 7:33 AM Post #181 of 1,486
 
The markup on those must be absolutely delightful for the creators. That looks cheap to build, even using quality metals.
 
I can't bring myself to pay for that. Looking for grounding alternatives if anyone has experience/ideas, it would be appreciated :)

 
this may be : CAT's "ground control" 
 
Dec 23, 2015 at 7:53 AM Post #183 of 1,486
 
Thanks. Any idea of the price?
 
Side note - is that Entreq filled with granular magnetite?
 

 
I don't know.  sorry.
 
Dec 23, 2015 at 8:14 AM Post #184 of 1,486
   
I don't know.  sorry.


I wish CAD put prices on their site, quite a frustrating thing to omit for a fixed price product.
 
The reason I ask about granular magnetite is the cost, it's peanuts. You could DIY build an Entreq for very (very) little money :¬)
 
Dec 23, 2015 at 9:22 AM Post #185 of 1,486
 
The markup on those must be absolutely delightful for the creators. That looks cheap to build, even using quality metals.
 
I can't bring myself to pay for that. Looking for grounding alternatives if anyone has experience/ideas, it would be appreciated :)

 
Yes, same here, although the Olympus sounds incredible.
 
If you are in the UK, Vertex AQ makes a Pico grounding box.
 
Dec 23, 2015 at 9:40 AM Post #186 of 1,486
  I settled on the Synergistic Red for the TotalDac and have been quite pleased although the improvement over the SR20, already a very good fuse, wasn't night and day.  t have not tried the Audio Magic Beeswax fuse but I know of their reputation.  The biggest difference thus far for me has been grounding with an Entreq box, bigger than any power cable, IC or fuse upgrade I've tried.  Grounding the signal seems to absolve many sins.

 
I have run the Red fuse in a source and there was an improvement.
 
The Beeswax gains are on the level of going from a silver minimus to Olympus, which is a big leap (and for a lot of money).
 
It does something different than the Entreq boxes though.
 
I believe the secret is in the use of beeswax. Audio Magic employs beeswax and other techniques to stop the fuse from vibrating.
 
The effect is very similar to putting all of your components on a state of the art isolation stand. If you've done this, you know the gains are huge.
 
So in effect it's really a resonance control upgrade.
 
But it doesn't stop there. The fuse also drops the noise floor significantly.
 
And voices sound like voices, and violins sound like violins.
 
You can hear the spacing in between layers and instruments, and the interplay between the instruments.
 
It just sounds organic.
 
It's really a phenomenal upgrade and I rarely stumble upon this type of performance leap in this hobby.
 
It would be interesting to find out what kind of performance gains you get from replacing the fuse on your server.
 
Dec 23, 2015 at 1:31 PM Post #187 of 1,486
  Hi romaz, how does the Entreq grounding relate to the Audience power conditioner (of which I have a variant)?
Does the Entreq compliment the Audience or replace it?

In my system, I find them to be complementary as they fulfil different duties.  If you have dirty or inconsistent quality AC power, particularly if you don't have a dedicated line, the improvement with the Audience unit is quite remarkable, especially with the latest version of the Audience that uses OHNO cast copper wiring and the better receptacles.  I can't speak for other units but with the Audience, each receptacle (and not each pair of receptacles) is isolated and so you can plug in digital or analog equipment into adjacent receptacles with no worries about backwash and cross pollution.  If you have units with switching power supplies, this is especially beneficial as they are notorious for spewing pollution into the mains line.  The nice thing about the Audience units is that they are all upgradable to current spec.  You can send your unit in and for a nominal fee, Audience will upgrade it or even modify it per your request.  I asked them to insert a grounding lug so I can ground the chassis and they did this for me.  They also installed my preferred Furutech GTX-D (Gold) receptacles in lieu of their standard Cardas Rhodium receptacles.
 
There are some components that don't benefit from conditioning and may actually be impaired by them.  NAIM source components, for example, prefer no conditioning at all and so Audience makes a power distributor that was co-designed by NAIM that doesn't provide conditioning.  @paul79 feels power conditioning prevents that "artist in the room" sound from his TotalDac d1-twelve and so he doesn't use one and so you will want to experiment to see if the positives outweight the negatives.
 
With signal grounding, whether it be with an Entreq box, Tripoint, CAD, Synergistic Research or any other brand, this has the potential to have the greater impact, in my experience, as they ground the final signal that reaches your transducer.  They can overcome not just the EMI/RFI that is present in your mains line but also along every other part of your chain from your server to your DAC to your amp as each of these components will generate EMI/RFI.  If you ground each of your components, I suspect you could completely do away with AC power conditioning.  Aside from cost, thus far, I have seen absolutely no negatives with signal grounding.
 
If I had to select one, I would choose signal grounding.
 
Dec 23, 2015 at 1:55 PM Post #188 of 1,486
   
Romaz, you might be interested in this insight of the Entreq grounding box  
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20 + photos...
 
  

 
Yes, I have seen these photos and others.  There's no secret with how to make a grounding box and there are many DIY boxes you can now buy, especially from Asia.  The problem is you have no idea how good they are.  With Entreq, they have a proprietary mix of "earth" components.  If you go from a standard minimus to the silver minimus to the Olympus minimus, for example, you will notice a difference in the sound you get with the sound getting darker, tighter and clearer as you go up the chain and so the composition of earth seems to matter.  The same applies to their grounding cables which is the cable that connects your component to their grounding box.
 
Dec 23, 2015 at 2:16 PM Post #189 of 1,486
 
The markup on those must be absolutely delightful for the creators. That looks cheap to build, even using quality metals.
 
I can't bring myself to pay for that. Looking for grounding alternatives if anyone has experience/ideas, it would be appreciated :)

Yes, Ross, the high markup leaves a bad taste in your mouth.  For those with time and access to raw materials, it would be worthwhile to experiment and create your own.  It would be nice to find someone who has perfected their own grounding box and is willing to sell one for a reasonable price or at least share their recipe on how to make one.
 
Dec 23, 2015 at 2:20 PM Post #190 of 1,486
   
I have run the Red fuse in a source and there was an improvement.
 
The Beeswax gains are on the level of going from a silver minimus to Olympus, which is a big leap (and for a lot of money).
 
It does something different than the Entreq boxes though.
 
I believe the secret is in the use of beeswax. Audio Magic employs beeswax and other techniques to stop the fuse from vibrating.
 
The effect is very similar to putting all of your components on a state of the art isolation stand. If you've done this, you know the gains are huge.
 
So in effect it's really a resonance control upgrade.
 
But it doesn't stop there. The fuse also drops the noise floor significantly.
 
And voices sound like voices, and violins sound like violins.
 
You can hear the spacing in between layers and instruments, and the interplay between the instruments.
 
It just sounds organic.
 
It's really a phenomenal upgrade and I rarely stumble upon this type of performance leap in this hobby.
 
It would be interesting to find out what kind of performance gains you get from replacing the fuse on your server.

That's quite the statement, going from a silver minimus to an Olympus.  If you believe the Beeswax is that much better than the Red, I will have to try it.  Fortunately, these things aren't that expensive.
 
Dec 23, 2015 at 2:32 PM Post #191 of 1,486
I enquired about the CAD grounding box and Scott informed me that they'll be £1,400. CAD have built ten units initially and these are being sent out to magazines and reviewers to try out.


Thanks. Any idea of the price?

Side note - is that Entreq filled with granular magnetite?


 
Dec 23, 2015 at 2:40 PM Post #192 of 1,486
I enquired about the CAD grounding box and Scott informed me that they'll be £1,400. CAD have built ten units initially and these are being sent out to magazines and reviewers to try out.

The CAD Ground Control is considerably more compact and attractive than the Entreq.  They will ground 1-2 components.  Here are recent photos he sent me:
 

 

 
Dec 23, 2015 at 2:52 PM Post #193 of 1,486
It does indeed look a very neat, aesthetically pleasing and compact solution compared to the Entreq. I've placed a pre-order for one and will know more about availability next month.


The CAD Ground Control is considerably more compact and attractive than the Entreq.  They will ground 1-2 components.  Here are recent photos he sent me:





The CAD Ground Control is considerably more compact and attractive than the Entreq.  They will ground 1-2 components.  Here are recent photos he sent me:





 
Dec 23, 2015 at 2:54 PM Post #194 of 1,486
I enquired about the CAD grounding box and Scott informed me that they'll be £1,400. CAD have built ten units initially and these are being sent out to magazines and reviewers to try out.

 
Thanks. I'd like to see the innards, but the chances of that are quite slim I assume!
 
Small world, I live in Norfolk too (Norwich) :¬)
 
  The CAD Ground Control is considerably more compact and attractive than the Entreq.  They will ground 1-2 components.  Here are recent photos he sent me:
 
...

 
Thanks Roy.
 
Dec 23, 2015 at 3:06 PM Post #195 of 1,486
Hi Roy,

Norwich is a fine city. I'm on the cusp of 'The Wash' in King's Lynn.

I asked Scott about the technological aspects of his grounding box and understandably he said this -

"I am sorry but I can not divulge how the CAD Ground Control box works. I have spent over 2 years working on the design and it is of no benefit to CAD to just give away technology gained from all that hard work (and substantial money invested) to my competitors.
Until very recently I had no idea what Entreq was doing. Now that some guy on Facebook has opened one up we all have some idea of what is going on. (I am personally sorry for Entreq that that has happened to them). Now that I have seen the internals of an Entreq box all I can say is that the CAD Ground Control is not doing anything even remotely close to the way that Entreq is".



Thanks. I'd like to see the innards, but the chances of that are quite slim I assume!

Small world, I live in Norfolk too (Norwich) :¬)


Thanks Roy.
 

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